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Name: giggles
Date: October 10, 2004 at 23:08:49 Pacific
Subject: cruzer micro512mb-ridiculously slow
OS: Win XP Pro!
CPU/Ram: 2500+Barton/512mbDDR400 M
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i just got this sandisk cruzer micro 512mb
it is incredibly slow
it took over a half hour to send a folder with 330mb in it over usb2.0 and in a usb1.1 computer it took 46minutes to send 43mb of data onto it

is this normal???
i got it on newegg when it was really cheap$40
did i get one from a bad batch?
should i rma it?
i tried to email sandisk but you have to sign up for an ebox so that they can "better serve you"
and there's no way im ever signing up for an ebox!!!

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Response Number 1
Name: rrlyon
Date: October 11, 2004 at 10:59:02 Pacific
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My SanDisk 512 works very fast even on a 1.1 USB. Are you running other applications while doing the copying? Some functions can impact the transfer speed. Even browsing the Internet can impact it. First try a copy and do nothing until it is done. How long did it take? I did a 240MB copy that took 6 minutes. Remember that a file copy from one directory to another can take longer due to PC activity.
Good luck

Richard


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Response Number 2
Name: JackG
Date: October 11, 2004 at 18:52:13 Pacific
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I just bought the same 512MB "SanDisk Cruzer micro" and thought it was very slow on a fast system with USB 2.0. Now you have me wondering as I did not test the transfer rate and did have something running in the background. Note this is a different and cheaper product, than the older 512MB "SanDisk Cruzer Mini".

My initial reaction to the slow speed was that Flash writing is a lot slower than reading and simple test proved that.

This forced a lot of research into bench marks and such. Got interesting. First it depends on your USB port and its speed. Not all USB 2.0 ports are High-Speed. Some are no faster than the USB 1.1 speed of 12Mbit/second. So that can effect your performance of a USB Flash drive. You really need the the High-Speed version of USB 2.0.

USB 1.0 1.5Mbps = 187KB/s
USB 1.1 12 Mbps = 2.25MB/s
USB 2.0 Full Speed 12bps
USB 2.0 High Speed 480bps = 60MB/s (in theory)

So lesson one: find out how fast your USB port really is.

Next, Flash write speed is slower than read speed and this can vary with different vendor products, but more important is that the effecive speed depends on the size of files you are reading and writing.

512 byte reads are in the 200KB/s to 600KB/s range
2MB reads are in the 4MB/s to 10MB/s with some like the new Sandisk Titanium hitting 15MB/s

Things really slow down on small writes:
512 byte writes are in the 2 to 5KB/s range.
Thats is KB, not MB.

But once the file size is above 2MB the speeds can range from 1MB/s to 9MB/s

So lesson two: writes are a lot slower than reads, and smaller files are very slow.

So your results will vary depending on how fast your USB port really is, and the size of the files you are writing.

If you want to study a good benchmark test of different products (SanDisk cruzer mini, not the micro) with charts on how different products do with different read/write sizes on a High-Speed USB 2.0 adapter, then look through the seven pages of this USB 2.0 Hi-SPeed Flash drive roundup.

The slow speed of small file writes may seem strange until you think about it. But the USB Flash drives to be compatible with any system they are put into still have to use the FAT32 file system. So not only the cluster of data is written for each file, but several reads of the Directory table(s) and FAT tables must be made for each file along with the write to update the Directory entry and the FAT table entry(s). Because of this, large file writes will be more efficient.



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Response Number 3
Name: giggles
Date: October 11, 2004 at 19:02:16 Pacific
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ok
all i know is that my old dell 16mb flash drive which i thought was a piece of crap, was a lot faster
as in like it took 10seconds to fill it up
this drive is just slower a lot slower

i was browsing the internet, in fact downloading while the 46mb file took 40 minutes to send over
it really took 40minutes, i sat here watching it and working on a paper

life is busy right now and i have been at school all day so ill check out those links tommorrow
thanks for the responses Richard and JackG

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