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Name: Warragul
Date: November 18, 2003 at 05:57:34 Pacific
OS: Windows 98 se
CPU/Ram: Pentium 200 32mb ram
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Hi

My other computer as referred to above is not booting up.
The only indication that there is any power pulsing through the system is that the monitor's led lights up as green for a few seconds and then changes to amber. It draws it's power from the computer and not directly into a power point in the wall.

There are no beeps, no cpu fan start up's no led's for the Cdrom, cdrw, Hard drive and floppy drives.

Is there a procedure that one can follow to source out what may be causing the problem.

I have double and trippled checked the connection of power leads to the wall to the individual drives, and made sure the wall point was switched on. I have checked the eide cables to each of the 4 drives and to the attachment to the motherboard, which I don't know what brand or model it is. There is no secondary powerswitch on the back of the computer. The computer was bought by me as new as a system and no motherboard manual was received.

I know it's getting a bit long in the tooth, but it did not have any problems apparent up to date to indicate that it was on the way out.

The fact that the cpu fan does not start up indicates that it is probably a power problem and not a motherboard problem.Yet it does acknowledge that power gets through to the monitor

I am not an experienced computer user and find this particular forum extremely helpful to the users that use it. I am hoping that there may be a procedure that I can follow that can diagnose the problem

Thank you

John Qld Australia



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Response Number 1
Name: Stuart
Date: November 18, 2003 at 07:29:43 Pacific
Reply:

The behavious of the monitor light suggests a video display prblem. Try removing the video card and reseating it. They sometimes work lose. Failing that, try the card in another machine or a known good card in the faulty machine.

I would bet that is where you will find the problem.

Stuart


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Response Number 2
Name: Warragul
Date: November 18, 2003 at 08:49:29 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for Your prompt reply Stuart. I will take your advice and check the Video Card in the morning. Getting a bit late at the moment (3.00am).

As a follow up to that if that doesn't work I think I will start removing drives and network cards etc until I get back to a point where hopefully it will fire up.

Thanks again

John, Qld Australia


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Response Number 3
Name: cbriusa
Date: November 18, 2003 at 09:34:13 Pacific
Reply:

You mentioned the computer was "new" Time to take up the warrenty?


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Response Number 4
Name: Stuart
Date: November 18, 2003 at 09:54:18 Pacific
Reply:

The computer was bought new, but is getting long in the tooth, which means its getting old and past its prime.

Who was it that said America is a foreign country separated by a common language. The same can be applied to Australia.

Stuart



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Response Number 5
Name: wes
Date: November 18, 2003 at 10:26:32 Pacific
Reply:

The fact that you do not get a POST beep indicates the the motherboard/CPU is not working at all. The most likely cause is a bad power supply, motherboard or CPU. If any of them is bad the monitor will turn on but you will not get a display.


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Response Number 6
Name: Stuart
Date: November 18, 2003 at 10:36:27 Pacific
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Sorry wes, there are many things that can prevent a POST beep. Including those you mention a bad NIC, bad memory, a bad video card, a short circuit or something as simple as a failed CPU fan can prevent the POST beep.

Stuart


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Response Number 7
Name: sidney
Date: November 18, 2003 at 13:04:19 Pacific
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if your cdrom and hard drive do not power up then the psu may be dead, even though the monitor has power.
Is your PSU an AT type or an ATX type?
AT type usually has 2 x 6 pin connectors to power the mobo.
ATX type usually has a 20 pin connector to power the mobo.


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Response Number 8
Name: Warragul
Date: November 18, 2003 at 22:04:57 Pacific
Reply:

I have just logged on and found all the replies

I will try and reply to everything you have mentioned and apolagised beforehand if I leave anyone out.

Cbriusa
What i meant by the "bought by me as new as a system" is that I have had the machine since new, it is some 6-7 years old. No warranty on the machine.

Sidney.
The power to the computer is by means of 2 six pin connectors.

Stuart
"Who was it that said America is a foreign country separated by a common language."

I am not familiar with the saying. You had better explain. Does foreign relate to England and or other english speaking countries such as us Aussies.

Wes.
Thank you for your information. As mentioned in my reply to Stuart "I think I will start removing drives and network cards etc until I get back to a point where hopefully it will fire up." I haven't started this process yet and I will let you know how it goes. As I go I will doubly make sure that all cards and connections are in place firmly.


Thank you all for your kind suggestions

John
Queensland, Australia


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Response Number 9
Name: StuartS
Date: November 18, 2003 at 22:12:27 Pacific
Reply:

>> I am not familiar with the saying. You had better explain. Does foreign relate to England and or other english speaking countries such as us Aussies <<

I as refering to your use of the phrase "long in the tooth". Familiar to Brits and Aussies but not to Americans apparently.

Stuart



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Response Number 10
Name: Warragul
Date: November 19, 2003 at 03:06:33 Pacific
Reply:

Hi Stuart.

I have known since I was a youngster that "long in the tooth" meant being old. However I never knew where the phrase was drived.
I searched for it on the net since your message and this is supposed to be from whence it came

"Long in the tooth" means old. It refers to the fact that one can determine a horse's age by looking at its teeth. A horse's gums recede as it ages causing its teeth to look "long."

They say you learn something new everyday. Well there you go!

Back to my computer problems. I got mean and nasty and pulled off leads and changed cards around and lo and behold there was new life in the old girl.

However that was short lived. During the boot up process afetr it counted up the Ram memory to 32mb it came up with a message

"CMOS Checksum Error - Defaults loaded"

and it stopped booting up at that point.

Thanks for all your help so far evrybody.

Regards
John from Oz


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Response Number 11
Name: Warragul
Date: November 19, 2003 at 03:39:45 Pacific
Reply:

Hi again.

I read some of the old problems in this sites archives and a lot of people have had the same problem with the checksum error.

I read many of them and the least confusing one of all was to get into the cmos screen and change the date and save settings.

The old girl is now pulsing on.

Thanks again everybody

Ps I did our National IQ test last night and came to the conclusion I was not as smart as I thought I was.
I should have done the test tonight because I think I am a little bit smarter now after evrybody' help

thank you

John from Oz


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Response Number 12
Name: Stuart
Date: November 19, 2003 at 04:43:54 Pacific
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>> A horse's gums recede as it ages causing its teeth to look "long." <<

From whence comes the expression, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth."

Glad you have everything working again.

Stuart


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