Yes the standoffs are in the right spots, but there are several headers for a fan. I'll try the other one. Any other suggestions? If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Tried the FAN1 header, still no go. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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I just tried to the touch those 2 pins with a screwdriver, but I get nothing. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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What 2 pins? The header for the processor fan should be marked CPU. If none like that use the fan1.

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I touched the 2 pins of what Gateway Support said was the Front panel On/Off button. There isn't a CPU header. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Alright an update. I just tried the other motherboard that I got, a Superpower Computer SP-P2BXA motherboard. I tested this board outside the case by shorting the power button pins. This triggered the power supply unit to start running, but none of the CPU fans would work which prompted me to not have it plugged in for more than a second or two. I had nothing but the CPU and a stick of RAM, no video card at all. Why won't the CPU fans run? When I say fans in the plural I mean I have 2 fans that I tried. I tried them out in another computer and they work fine. I'm going to get this other board and test it out of the case too. Thanks for the replies and help. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Ok I tried the first board out of the case, nothing at all. I didn't install the video card. Does the video card need to be installed for the fans to run? I can't install the second board in the case because there's a standoff in the way that I can't remove. It's a totally round standoff. While the regular metal standoffs are round, the sides of the standoff I can't move is smooth, while the regular ones aren't. I've taken pliers to it and tried with my fingers and it won't budge. It's a standoff that the manufacturer of the computer used. Is it not coming off because the case is from a branded PC (Gateway 2000)? One more question: I've heard that a 145W power supply is cutting a P3 450MHz a little close, but should do fine. Is this true? The power supply was also used in the P1 system. According to the specification sticker on the power supply, the 3.3V rail only has a maximum of 100W. This to me sounds the power supply might be underwattage. What do you think? I don't have another PSU to try. I was only going to use my hard drive, CD burner, graphics card (old AGP 1 card) and wireless network card. That's it. I would like to hear your opinions on it. Thanks. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Is the PSU an older AT style? Is the power connector one piece or two?

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The power supply is an ATX supply with 1 connector. Both boards don't have that extra power connector either. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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You must realize any or all this hardware could be DOA? edit Forgot to comment on the PSU wattage. If memory serves me correctly my first 486 had a 250Watt PSU. 145Watts is usually relegated to micro cases. If you suspect the PSU then try booting without any drives connected. That should mitigate some of the short capacity.

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Thanks very much for the reply. I don't want to damage that power supply because if none of this stuff works, I want to use it again with that P1 system. But would it be safe to connect the AGP 1x card, memory and CPU only to the motherboard and try booting with the 145W PSU? I've heard that even AGP 1x cards can consume 20 watts or more alone, and the sticker on the supply says that the 5V rail and the 3.3V rail are both 100 volts max. Another question: The CPU fans don't come on, but they do when I connect them to a Fan header in another board I've had awhile. Do some P2 and P3 BIOSes have a fan control system that turns the fan on when it gets above a certain temp? Thanks. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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You mean 100 watts max. I don't think the CPU draws that much. I'm thinking 35W. I could be totally wrong on the wattage but that number sticks in my head. I'm thinking the CPU fan should be running anytime the computer is on. The standoff you mentioned awile back that won't come out could be shorting out the board. Is that standoff in line with a screw hole? If not I would insulate it. Don't use anything thick, couple of layers of electrical tape.

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Thanks I never thought about insulation! I could try that. On the first board, the standoff was under a screw hole, the second board, there's not a screw hole there. I was wondering how I was going to get that board in there. In regard to the stuff being DOA, the friend that gave me this stuff said that it worked when he took it out of the case. For that reason I don't know why it won't work. I'm going to try to insulate that standoff, then I'm going to try to install that 2nd board in the case with nothing but the CPU, 1 stick of RAM, and video card. I'll only have it on for a few seconds to see if I get a video signal. P2s don't get hot real quick do they? Thanks for the help!!!!! Thanks for correcting me on 100 volts, I meant watts. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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I wouldn't run the CPU without cooling for long and not without a heatsink at all. Are there a bunch of jumpers on the MBoard. You may need to set the CPU frequency, voltage, etc.

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Ok thanks for that too, I'll make sure on the correct jumpers. The CPU has a heatsink so that's all set. I'll probably try it when I get back from church tonight. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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OtheHill, I don't think I have any electrical tape, but will a small piece of duct tape do until I can get some? Thanks! If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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I would use masking tape or scotch tape before duct tape.

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Ok I got that standoff covered with scotch tape, got the second motherboard installed in the case and everything connected. The markings on the board are better detailed than the first board. I push the button and everything comes on except the CPU fan, and there's no monitor signal. I might try to install the P3 next and see if there are any differences. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Tried the P3, no difference. The CMOS battery was dead so I put in a good one, same thing. I tried different RAM, still nothing. Oh well I guess both boards are bad. Either that or the there's a lack of wattage with the power supply. I can't understand how that could be the case since all I had plugged in was the motherboard, CPU, RAM, and graphics card. Thanks for the help OtheHill, you've been a very big help. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Are there dipswitches or jumpers in a row on the board? If you have/had the voltage settings wrong for the processor you could fry it in a moment. If the multiplier is wrong it may not jurt the CPU, just won't boot. Removing the battery should clear the CMOS but once you have a boot failure you may need to reclear. Hard to work with old stuff when going blind. Did the MBoards have a processor mounted on them when you got them? I may be way off base on the way the Intel chip boards you are dealing with work. The last time I built an Intel setup was a Pentium 133. Therefore I don't know when soft settings came to the P line.

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Well there is a set of pins called JFSB. There isn't a jumper on it. I read online the following: No Jumper: AUTO 1-2: 66MHz FSB 2-3: 100MHz FSB There is some text on the motherboard that says about the same thing as the above. There's also another set of pins that according to the internet is supposed to set something called "BIOS Voltage". According to the internet, this is what I found: 1-2: BIOS 5V 2-3: BIOS 12V There isn't a jumper on it though. Could this mean anything? None of the processors were mounted to the board when I got them. I've tried to reclear the CMOS even after it wouldn't boot. There aren't that many set of pins on the board, but there is another set of pins with about 2 or 3 jumpers on them, but there isn't a name or anything under it that I can look it up and see what it's for. If you have anymore ideas, please send them on. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Is the processor and RAM setup in the BIOS screens? That would be soft configuration.

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It seems like I read something about this board supporting soft configuration. But I can't boot to get to that. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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That's right, stupid question on my part. If your friend had those boards both under power why not ask him/her what size PSU they were using and possibly if either of the processorsyou have wer installed on either board.

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Ok I asked him and he didn't know what power supply wattage he used with either of them. He did say that he had 2 supplies that he could send to me if I needed them (he lives in PA and I live in NC). I asked him if the processors were installed on either board and he said that he believed they were. Thanks for sticking with this thread, it has probably gotten boring by now. If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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Are you trying the POST with a graphics card intalled? You should. CPU, RAM, Graphics, monitor, KBoard are needed to POST. No drives are necessary just to POST.

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With the board I've been trying (second board I got) I've connected the graphics card, monitor, keyboard, CPU and RAM. The first board I never did hook the graphics card to it because it would always act like it was unplugged when I'd try and turn it on. Would the absence of a graphics card cause it to act this way? I talked to my friend, and he's going to send me a 300W power supply that he said he used with one of the boards. We'll have to try that and see if it makes any difference. OtheHill, you've been great with your help and I can't tell you how grateful I am for it! If Jesus [God] Himself said in the Bible that He was the Way, why wouldn't it be true?

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OTheHill: Sorry that I've not gotten back to you concerning these 2 motherboards, but there's been a breakthrough with the first motherboard that would act like it's unplugged. With the board plugged in outside the case, I happened to move the CPU (slot 1), and what happened? The fans started to run. Is there a way I can secure the CPU? Thank you. Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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I never owned a Intel slot processor but did have a few AMD slotA boards. The processor came with some plastic brackets that held the processor from sagging. The problem might be corrosion on the contacts. They should be shiny. plug it in and out a few times. You probably can jury rig something if it is really sagging. However that doesn't sound like a workable solution. Maybe wire ties around the HSink to a higher place on the board.

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Thanks for that quick reply, I've not been able to respond till now. I've been trying to get the same motherboard to POST. The fans run, but it doesn't POST. I've tried 2 graphics cards, I've tried to boot with RAM and without. I would think that I would get a beep from the internal speaker when I turn it on with no RAM, but I don't. I've also hooked an external speaker from a case to it, and still no beeps of any sort. I've read here on computing that no beeps possibly means a bad motherboard. If I could get it to POST, I could figure a good way to secure that CPU in place. My friend never did send me that power supply, I think he changed his mind. I'm still using the 145W. A local computer store in town has some used power supplies that they said they would let me have for anywhere between $5 and $10 each.

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Guess what!!! I got that first motherboard to POST!!!!!!! I'm so happy I could yell. I've gotten it to work on that 145W. I probably should upgrade the power supply. The problem was the box I was testing it on. It was covered in packaging tape (which I didn't think was conductive). I had the board on top of it. Nothing but the fans came on until I moved it to the top of another box of a motherboard I had. Now it is posting, the fans are running, and I can use my keyboard to access the BIOS. This has been a major breakthrough. Now let's hope it keeps working and that I can get that CPU secured and also that I can set it up to use as an "upgrade" from the Pentium 1 I've been using that only has 64MB of RAM. Jesus can change your life for the better!

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Ok I got a 235W power supply for it used, and it works. But there's one problem. After I reset the BIOS, I can get into the BIOS and change settings, and I can reboot and the video comes on, but when I turn it off, and even unplug it, then plug it in and turn it on, I get a monitor signal but nothing is on the screen. Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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When you reenter the BIOS is the date correct each time? That would indicate the battery is holding the settings. There should be a setting to choose onboard or PCI graphics as the first display. Choose onboard. There should be a setting to choose the amount of shared RAM too.

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Thanks for that reply. This board doesn't have onboard graphics, so I guess that means I can't use onboard graphics. I miss the days of onboard graphics, lol. Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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Ok forget all the excitement and good news I posted earlier. The excitement is over. I get a beep when no RAM is installed, but when I install RAM and video card, I get no beeps. It also no longer POSTs. Instead, the fans run, and I also have a signal to the monitor (the light on the monitor is green and not complaining about no signal), but no POST! I've tried another graphics card, and that one doesn't work at all. I need some ideas if you've got them. Thanks again! Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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Ok I have good news again, but I hope it stays this way. The P3 that I had in there was what was causing the PC to not POST, and also what was causing the video signal, but nothing on the monitor. Last night I was desperate and just for the fun, I thought "What would I lose" and downloaded the latest Gateway BIOS for this board and installed it using Gateway's BIOS Recovery method. It took almost 20 minutes, but after awhile the motherboard beeped and the floppy light went off. I shut the computer down, unplugged it and replaced the BIOS configuration jumper. I felt of the heatsink and it was cold as if no juice had not gone through it for the past 20 minutes. I started her back up. I got the same symptoms as before, a video signal, but no POST. This morning I was reading on another forum about someone who had the same exact problems as I did and the person had a stone cold heatsink like me. An expert suggested a bad CPU. I took that suggestion to heart and installed the P2 my friend sent. Voila, it's working again, but only God knows how long. Thanks OtheHill for your help and for sticking to this thread. Most people would give up by now, especially for such an old system. Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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Hey OtheHill, today I did testing on this system, adding each component in and turning the system on each time. As far as I could tell, everything seems fine so far. I just packed it with 384MB of RAM, and installed Windows XP. It's blazing fast and snappy for such an old system. I want to tweak it even more by turning off unneeded settings to make it faster. In performance, this thing beats that P1 by a long shot. OtheHill, you've been great and like I've said, thank you for all you've done to help me. I'll be using and testing this computer the next few days so I don't know if I'll need you again or not. Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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OK, good luck with the testing.

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Thank you. BTW, do you know what might make a CPU to make a little noise when I scroll a window or maximize a window? I'm getting that with this system. Everything seems fine but that. I've been reading again online and people act like it's no big deal. The noise sounds a little like chirping, but it's faint. I know it's from the CPU instead of the PSU because I put my ear to it and scrolled a window and that was where it was coming from. What do you think? Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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Can't answer that question but I have read here that some components on the MBoard are capable of emitting sounds under certain circumstances. In your case would it make any difference if you knew more about these sounds?

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Not really, I just wanted to know in case the noise was some sort of problem fixing to happen. I'm sorry for asking so many questions, this thread sure did get off topic. But I've got 1 more question. I didn't figure out the front panel connectors until now, and got just the hard disk activity light connected. The LED is noticeably brighter than it was with the P1 system. Is this a concern? Jesus can change your life for the better!!

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I don't think the polarity matters but you could try reversing the two wires. That could also be a function of the voltage sent be the MBoard, which could be different in each case. I guess I can't give you a good answer.

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Ok thanks for everything. I'll still be testing it over the next few days. Jesus can change your life for the better!

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