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Name: Stabgotham
Date: March 6, 2005 at 20:33:26 Pacific
OS: 350 mhz
CPU/Ram: 128mb
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Okay, I'm finally doing it. I'm going to step into uncharted territory. I've never done this before so I'm looking for a little help. I'm trying to put this all together for around or under $1200.00. Here's the PC I've put together on paper. Can someone let me know if what I have here is at all compatible and practical....thanks!

ASUS "A8V Deluxe" VIA K8T800 Pro Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz, 512KB L2 Cache 939-Pin 64-bit Processor

Corsair Value Select Dual Channel Kit 184 Pin 1G(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200

XION Black/Silver ATX Gaming PC Case With 450W PSU, Model "XON-002"

ABIT ATI Radeon X700 PRO Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, PCI-Express, Model "RX700PRO-256PCIE"

Western Digital 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD800JD

Plextor 16X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW SATA Drive, Model PX-716SA/SW

Obviously I'm missing a new monitor. I'm not entirely too concerned about the sound card as the motherboard has an integrated sound card. All this is coming in at around $900.00. Is there anything else that I am missing? Are these compnents compatible? Any words of wisdom? Any how-to's?

Thanks in advance!



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Response Number 1
Name: Rimfire
Date: March 6, 2005 at 22:52:11 Pacific
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A monitor, keyboard and mouse might be useful. I also like to add a floppy drive. Otherwise it sounds like a great rig.

Observe static precautions before and while assembling. The loungroom floor carpet is not the ideal workbench.

It's generally easier to install the CPU before installing the motherboard. Make sure that you only install the correct number of standoffs. A common mistake is to install as many as will fit. This causes the motherboard to short to the frame.

Double check the cabling at each stage.

It's best to install the HDD as primary master and the DVD burner as secondary master.

Begin the project when you are fresh and have plenty of time. A rushed job often ends up as a stuffed job.

These are fairly general pointers, without knowing your level of expertise, it is difficult to provide the exact information you require. If you have any problems, be sure to check here for further advice.


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Response Number 2
Name: Sabertooth
Date: March 6, 2005 at 23:02:59 Pacific
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A few things you may want to go over;

- Bigger hard drive space.
- See how the cards compare before buying.
- Check PSU's 12v rail amp distribution.


B4 you criticize a bigger man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, you're a mile away, and you have his shoes.


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Response Number 3
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: March 6, 2005 at 23:05:09 Pacific
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You will definitely need a floppy drive in order to install your OS on a SATA drive, UNLESS you want to go to the trouble of creating a custom WinXP install disk with the proper drivers and configurations.

Michael J


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Response Number 4
Name: Sabertooth
Date: March 6, 2005 at 23:06:05 Pacific
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Ooops!....here's the link intended.

B4 you criticize a bigger man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, you're a mile away, and you have his shoes.


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Response Number 5
Name: Stabgotham
Date: March 7, 2005 at 08:41:07 Pacific
Reply:

All good advice. I did forget the floppy, so I will be adding that on. The link to graphic card benchmarks was a giant help. I'm looking into changing now, but honestly, I don't want to spend $400.00 on a GE Force Ultra 6800. That's just way to damn expensive for me.

80GB of hard drive space is perfect for me. I don't do a ton of downloading and what downloading I will do I will be putting onto DVD's or CD's.

As far as my level of experience, I'd say I'm in between a beginner and a novice. Im kinda like the kid who can't find clothes to fit him. So I need a little help along the way, especially since this is my first attempt. I'm really worried that I will do something wrong and destroy $$$.

I'm looking at the how-to's on this site and they are dated a bit. Anyone know of an up to date how-to?


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Response Number 6
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: March 7, 2005 at 10:37:50 Pacific
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I'd recommend something with an Nforce3 or 4 chipset. Either is faster than the Via KT800.

Regardless, that motherboard has AGP, not PCI-e, and your video card is PCI-e, so no worky there.

As far as the video card goes, the Nvidia 6600GT cards are significantly faster than the X700's are. 6600GT's are available in both AGP and PCI-e. X700's are PCI-e only, so if your heart is set on that, your only option in motherboards is something with an Nforce4 chipset.

"80GB of hard drive space is perfect for me. I don't do a ton of downloading and what downloading I will do I will be putting onto DVD's or CD's."

However much storage you think you need, double it. Systems with half their drive empty or more run faster than those more than half full, all other things being equal.

I would spend a few more dollars and just get a 120 gig to be sure. You'll spend like $20 more tops.

The SATA DVD burner is kind of a waste if you ask me, but if the burner is good quality, as plextor usually is, by all means.

"...but in my defense, it was dark, I was drunk, and it was delicious!"


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Response Number 7
Name: per
Date: March 7, 2005 at 12:16:58 Pacific
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Check out the left side this page-install guides. Left side on the how-to.


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Response Number 8
Name: Stabgotham
Date: March 7, 2005 at 16:44:25 Pacific
Reply:

Okay, per all the great suggestions, I have rethought my system and scoped out the compatibility. Here's what I've got now. From what I can tell, and by looking at the manufacturer's websites, all of these parts should be compatible. What do you all think?

AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz, 512KB L2 Cache 939-Pin 64-bit Processor

ASUS "A8N-SLI Deluxe" nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU

XION Black/Silver ATX Gaming PC Case With 450W PSU, Model "XON-002"

2x - Corsair Value Select 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200

2x - Seagate 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model ST380011A

Rosewill nVIDIA GeForce 6600GT Video Card, 128MB GDDR3, 128-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, PCI-Express, Model "R66GT-128PX2"

NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Black, Model ND-3520A BK

NEC 1.44MB Black Internal Floppy Drive

Estimate is that this would all coming just under $1000.00.


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Response Number 9
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: March 7, 2005 at 21:11:48 Pacific
Reply:

Rosewill isn't known for quality. Spend a few bucks more on something reputable.

Why IDE on your hard drives? You got SATA on your mobo!

Why 2x 80 gig drives? Are you gonna do a RAID array? If not, save the money and get a 250 Hitachi for about the same price.

I'm not familiar with the power supplies in that case, but investigate to make sure it's good quality. Don't let your $1000 go down the drain with a crappy power supply. Just because it's labelled a higher wattage doesn't mean it's actually good. Speaking of which, you do know you'll need a better power supply if you ever do SLI with that motherboard, right?

MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!


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Response Number 10
Name: Stabgotham
Date: March 7, 2005 at 22:30:59 Pacific
Reply:

Way over my head. SLI? I honestly don't know what that means. RAID array?? I don't know what that means either. What I do know is that this is the only ASUS mobo recommended by AMD that is an nFORCE4 and that is compatible with this processor.

I'll investigate that power supply a little futher...any suggestions?? Thermaltake?


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Response Number 11
Name: Rimfire
Date: March 7, 2005 at 23:22:38 Pacific
Reply:

SLI means scan line interface. Basically this means you can share the load between two video cards.

RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive / Independant Disks. This allows you to combine more than one disk as a faster (single)disk or as automatic backup (mirrored drives).

Power supplies vary between cheap and nasty crud to rock solid. Thermaltake is a good brand. There are others. Your best bet is to look at what you like, then do a google search on the product. If there is a problem, it will be quickly obvious.


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Response Number 12
Name: Stabgotham
Date: March 8, 2005 at 09:33:23 Pacific
Reply:

So SATA serves not use for me...however SLI, may come in handy somewhere down the road, so I think I've selected a good motherboard.

I will rethink my case/PSU and I will look into a more reputable video card distributer. Any suggestions? I will also look into a 250GB IDE hard drive.

When you say I'll need a better power supply if I ever do SLI, could you explain what you mean by that? More power? More reliability?? More cooling?

Thanks for the help!


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Response Number 13
Name: Rimfire
Date: March 8, 2005 at 12:00:06 Pacific
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No, you want SATA. It is a newer standard than IDE and potentially faster. If you wanted to build a RAID, you would need two identical drives.

Modern video cards consume quite a lot of power. If you wanted to use two of them, you would need a larger power supply unit. For now, the PSU that comes with the case will probably suffice. As I already mentioned, do a search to find out what people are saying about it.

Don't lose too much sleep over cooling. If the case does not include any fans other than the one in the PSU, you should put one in. After you build it, you'll be able to tell if there is a problem and fix it then. The first fan should be place at the rear blowing out. Then if you need more, you could add another at the front blowing in.


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Response Number 14
Name: Cobra_R
Date: March 11, 2005 at 02:49:48 Pacific
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SATA isn't that much faster then IDE when both are being compard to an 7200rpm hard drive. Where SATA does better is the rpm on the hard drive. IDE can only max out to 7200rpm while SATA can go to 15,000rpm + But most people that use SATA use it for RAID purposes. Besides, SATA is already out dated since SATA II came out. Now SATA II is a whole other story as it's twice as fast as SATA. Nforce 4 ultras and Nforce 4 SLi's have SATA II.


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Response Number 15
Name: allen (by allenehuang)
Date: March 23, 2005 at 08:12:03 Pacific
Reply:

better late than never, but i noticed you didn't include a heat sink and fan.

2.8c 800mhz fsb
1 gb 512x2 geil dual channel
asus p4p800 se
60 gb ibm 7200 rpm
80 gb maxtor 7200
thermaltake va3000
sapphire 9800 pro 128mb


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