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Name: quest-x
Date: June 29, 2004 at 15:27:52 Pacific
OS: Win XP
CPU/Ram: 1.67GHz/256MB DDR
Comment:

hi,

i'm ordering parts for my first hand-built computer. i'm a total newbie and i'm wondering if all the parts i selected will run together as a PC. meaning, i'm trying to avoid incompatibility issues and whatnot. i have no idea what works with what, and i'll appreciate insight on whether these parts make for a good investment.

thanks a lot. you can email me if you want, quests@hotmail.com

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Linkworld Beige/Silver Midi ATX CASE, Model "B313-C8811-P4" -RETAIL
Specifications:
Case Type: Midi ATX CASE
Color: Beige/Silver
Material: Metal
Drive Bays: 5.25" x 4/0, 3.5" x 2/2 (external/internal)
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2xUSB
Power Supply: 300W
Cooling System: 1 fan side
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX
Dimensions: 20.5" x 10" x 19.5" more info-> N82E16811164015 $21.00 $21.00


BIOSTAR "M7NCG 400" nForce2 IGP Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon/Athlon XP/Duron Processors
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 IGP + MCP
FSB: 200/266/333/400MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM support Dual Channel DDR333/266/200 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 3x PCI, 1x CNR
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,1xCOM,1xVGA,6xUSB2.0(Rear 2),1xLAN,1xGAME,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 6-Channel AC97 CODEC
Onboard Video: GeForce4 MX
Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100Mbps
Form Factor: Micro ATX more info-> N82E16813138234 $61.00 $61.00


AMD Athlon XP 2000+, 266 FSB, 256K Cache Processor - Retail
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2000+
Core: Thoroughbred
Operating Frequency: 1.67GHz
FSB: 266MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/256K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info-> N82E16819103383 $57.00 $57.00


Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-2700
Specifications:
Manufacturer: Kingston
Speed: DDR333(PC2700)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2.5
Support Voltage: 2.5V
Bandwidth: 2.7GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime through Manufacturer more info-> N82E16820141302 $45.00 $45.00


Alps Beige 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model DF354H068F, OEM
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: 3 ms (track to track)
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes
Features: High reliability attained by the employment of a direct-drive motor
Packaging: OEM more info-> N82E16821103301 $12.99 $12.99


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Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800JB, OEM Drive Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.9 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA100
Features: High-performance with 8MB Buffer
Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years
Packaging: OEM Drive Only more info-> N82E16822144122 $65.00 $65.00


Encore 56K V.92 Internal PCI Fax Modem(NetoDragon), Model ENF656-ESW-NDPR - Retail
Specifications:
Interface: PCI Bus, Plug and Play
Standards: V.92 and earlier ITU standards
Chipset: NetoDragon MDV92XP
DTE Rate: 115200bps
Fax Speed: 14400bps more info-> N82E16825180003 $7.50 $7.50


Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse Version 1.1a PS/2 /USB -OEM
Specifications:
Interface: USB/ PS/2
Number Of Buttons: 3x buttons + 1x Wheel
Optical/Ball: Optical
Wireless Technology: N/A
*Must be Purchased with Hardware!* more info-> N82E16826105123 $13.00 $13.00


NEC 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model ND-2500A, OEM Bulk
Specifications:
Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 16X CD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
Features: Vertical operation possible, anti-dust seal
Packaging: OEM Bulk Pack more info-> N82E16827152011 $64.99 $64.99


CINTRE RW-695 2-Piece Speakers - RETAIL
Specifications:
Configuration: 2.0
Power Output: 6W(RMS)
Frequency Response: 100Hz - 20,000Hz
Signal To Noise Ratio: Not Specified
Remote: N/A
Features: Front Headphone Jack for Easy Access, Magnetically Shielded Speakers Reduce Electronic Interference more info-> N82E1683613000



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Response Number 1
Name: angrymen2001
Date: June 29, 2004 at 16:28:09 Pacific
Reply:

From a quick look, I have a couple suggestions
1. I would get 3200 RAM so if you want to upgrade to 400MHz processor, you already have compatible RAM.

2. If you don't use a floppy drive, you don't need it. (not a major cost, but save where you can too.

3. Not sure why you want a XP2000 with a FSB of 266. If you decide not to get the floppy, the cost saved would probably be the same amount to step up to a 333 FSB.

Can't tell you whether a Biostar mobo is good or not, but someone else will comment on that. Personally I prefer Asus, but again if biostar makes good mobos go for it.

ALso maybe a more powerful PS? I would prefer at least a 450Watt or higher. So if you add on, you have the power for it.

When all else fails beat the $%!* out of it!!!


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Response Number 2
Name: Jimi_l
Date: June 29, 2004 at 17:24:57 Pacific
Reply:

Get the floppy

Asus or MSI for the board

I should think a good quality 350-400 Watt PS would cut it.

The modem sucks, get a brand name or use the one you have now. Nothing is more miserable than a cheap modem.

Jimi_l


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Response Number 3
Name: johnoh
Date: June 29, 2004 at 20:33:31 Pacific
Reply:

"i have no idea what works with what"

everything pretty much works with everything. However...

An igp motherboard is unbalanced. The job of a motherboard and a video card is best kept separate.

That said, you are buying the ONLY 400fsb motherboard with nvidia integrated graphics, and biostar is to be commended for even attempting this feat. Go for it and if it works (it probably will) you will have a mobo to brag about. But do not even think about overclocking.

Ditto Jimi's comments about a modem. The world will be better when nobody uses modem's any more. That will happen sooner than later.


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Response Number 4
Name: Symbios
Date: June 29, 2004 at 20:34:14 Pacific
Reply:

Yes, GET the floppy drive! You will need it some time.

Stick with the modem too, I have one and it is fantastic! Very fast, it always connects at 48K and higher.

I would get a Shuttle AN35N ultra for the motherboard though. It's a little cheaper has the same features and is MUCH more reliable.

And get this case instead; (Click Here)this is the case I use to build computers for clients. It’s great and the power supply is VERY reliable and the voltages are stable.

And do not, I repeat DO NOT buy a Western Digital hard drive! They are horribal. Get a Seagate instead Click Here

I think that covers it, good luck and have fun!


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Response Number 5
Name: Lizette
Date: June 30, 2004 at 15:23:27 Pacific
Reply:

"And do not, I repeat DO NOT buy a Western Digital hard drive! They are horribal."

I have never had any problem with Western Digital harddrives. I've been using them for ages...


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Response Number 6
Name: Big Mike
Date: July 1, 2004 at 07:20:48 Pacific
Reply:

I have also never had a problem with a WD hard drive, and I have been using them for years in my own systems and clients' systems. Seagate, on the other hand, have been nothing but problems. I have had three of them die in as many years. I would definitely go for a board that does not have on-board graphics. Even most cheap AGP video cards are better. Get at least 333 MHz RAM, 400 if you can afford it. I would also look into a little better power supply, 400 watts or better. HTH.

-Big Mike

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Response Number 7
Name: quest-x
Date: July 1, 2004 at 15:42:21 Pacific
Reply:

Hey everyone,

Wow, thanks for all the feedback. Super useful! I took every single piece of advice into consideration, and these are basically the changes/non-changes I made:

~Switched to the APEX case w/ the included 350W power supply. I hope 350W is sufficient.
~Decided to buy a separate graphics card. Don't know which one yet.
~Thus, switched to the Shuttle motherboard.
~Upped processor to 333MHz FSB.
~Upped RAM to 3200.
~Kept floppy drive.
~Kept the Western Digital HD.
~Kept everything else.

This is what it looks like now:

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APEX Beige Mid-Tower Super Case with 350W Power Supply, Model "7C574-115"
Specifications:
Case Type: Mid-Tower
Color: Beige
Material: Steel
Drive Bays: 5.25'' x4,3.5''(External) x2, 3.5''(Internal) x2
Expansion Slots: 7 Full Size
Front Ports: USB2.0 x2
Power Supply: 350W
Cooling System: N/A
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX
Dimensions: 18.75''x7.25''x16'' more info-> N82E16811154017 $22.00 $22.00


Shuttle "AN35N-Ultra" nForce2 Ultra 400 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket A AMD Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron Processors
Chipset: nVIDIA nForce2 Ultra 400 + MCP
FSB: 200/266/333/400MHz
RAM: 3x DIMM for DDR400/333/266/200 Max 3GB
IDE: 2x UltraDMA 133 up to 4 Devices
Slots: 1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2,1xLPT,2xCOM,1xLAN,6xUSB2.0(Rear 2),1xGAME,Audio Ports
Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC650 5.1 Channel Codec
Onboard LAN: Realtek 8201BL 10/100M
Form Factor: ATX more info-> N82E16813150045 $54.00 $54.00


AMD Athlon XP 2500+ "Barton", 333 FSB, 512K Cache Processor - Retail
Specifications:
Model: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Core: Barton
Operating Frequency: 1.83GHz
FSB: 333MHz
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/512K
Voltage: 1.65V
Process: 0.13Micron
Socket: Socket A
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
Packaging: Retail Box (Heatsink and Fan included) more info-> N82E16819103379 $80.00 $80.00


Kingston ValueRAM 184 Pin 256MB DDR PC-3200 - Retail
Specifications:
Manufacturer: Kingston
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 3
Support Voltage: 2.6V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Organization: 32M x 64 -Bit
Warranty: Lifetime more info-> N82E16820141425 $44.00 $44.00


Alps Beige 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model DF354H068F, OEM
Specifications:
Capacity: 1.44MB
Average Access Time: 3 ms (track to track)
Interface: 34 Pin Standard Floppy Connector
Form: 3.5 inch
Media Type: All Standard 1.44MB & 720KB 3.5 Floppy Diskettes
Features: High reliability attained by the employment of a direct-drive motor
Packaging: OEM more info-> N82E16821103301 $12.99 $12.99


Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800JB, OEM Drive Only
Specifications:
Capacity: 80GB
Average Seek Time: 8.9 ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: IDE ULTRA ATA100
Features: High-performance with 8MB Buffer
Manufacturer Warranty: 3 years
Packaging: OEM Drive Only more info-> N82E16822144122 $65.00 $65.00


Microsoft Optical Wheel Mouse Version 1.1a PS/2 /USB -OEM
Specifications:
Interface: USB/ PS/2
Number Of Buttons: 3x buttons + 1x Wheel
Optical/Ball: Optical
Wireless Technology: N/A
*Must be Purchased with Hardware!* more info-> N82E16826105123 $13.00 $13.00


NEC 8X DVD+RW/-RW Drive, Model ND-2500A, OEM Bulk
Specifications:
Write Speed: 8X DVD+R, 4X DVD+RW, 8X DVD-R, 4X DVD-RW, 32X CD-R, 16X CD-RW
Read Speed: 40X CD-ROM, 12X DVD-ROM
Interface: ATAPI / E-IDE
Buffer: 2MB
OS Support: Windows XP/2000/Me/98SE
Features: Vertical operation possible, anti-dust seal
Packaging: OEM Bulk Pack more info-> N82E16827152011 $64.99 $64.99


CINTRE RW-695 2-Piece Speakers - RETAIL
Specifications:
Configuration: 2.0
Power Output: 6W(RMS)
Frequency Response: 100Hz - 20,000Hz
Signal To Noise Ratio: Not Specified
Remote: N/A
Features: Front Headphone Jack for Easy Access, Magnetically Shielded Speakers Reduce Electronic Interference more info-> N82E16836130001

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One thing missing: a graphics card. This has proven me the most difficult to make a decision on. Hope someone can tell me a cheap, decent graphics card, thanks a lot.

Basically I'm just going to be watching movies. I do play a few games, though not hardcore. The most demanding game I play would be Warcraft III.

Hope I can get further critique and advice, thanks a lot.


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Response Number 8
Name: angrymen2001
Date: July 1, 2004 at 18:44:26 Pacific
Reply:

NVidia card is my pick.

Any agp graphics card will do for what your looking. Not sure costs, but you won't go wrong with EVGA nvidia cards.

When all else fails beat the $%!* out of it!!!


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Response Number 9
Name: Symbios
Date: July 1, 2004 at 21:26:33 Pacific
Reply:

Here’s the card I use, I am very satisfied with It.
Click Here

350Watts will be more then plenty for your system.

Please, don’t get a WD! I bought one last year and it only lasted 8 months. Western Digital sent me a new one and I have had it for 4 months now and it makes a slight squealing noise when it seeks, I don’t know how much longer it’s going to last.
I also bought one for a customer’s computer and it was DOA.

I’m not the only one having problems with WD disks. Just read the reviews on it at Newegg.com!

This little quality problem of theirs seems to have happened in the last couple of years because I too have been using them for quite some time without a problem.


Symbios



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Response Number 10
Name: Smokey
Date: July 2, 2004 at 03:28:45 Pacific
Reply:

I bought 14 drives from newegg last year and 4 or 5 drives locally. Ten of those drives were WD and 4 were seagate. The rest of the drives were IBM deskstar's. I like all these drives and had no problems with any of them.
If you listen to Symbios and buy the drive that he suggested.... you WILL have a problem. A SATA drive WON'T work on the motherboards that you listed. If he builds computer for clients I'm suprised he didn't know that.
You have to take all suggestions with a grain of salt and read as many reviews as you can once you choose your components.


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Response Number 11
Name: Symbios
Date: July 2, 2004 at 14:45:09 Pacific
Reply:

Ooops! I’m sorry, I gave you the wrong link! Thanks for pointing that out Smokey!

Here is the correct link. Click Here


Symbios


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