Wow haven’t been here in a while, thing really haven’t changed much, anyway have another question for you guys.

Just upgraded from a 1.6G P4 To Barton 2600+
And this thing is sooo slow; it seems to have the hardest time doing the simplest things, like when I defrag the temp goes from 40C to 51C! Just Defragging! Or when minimizing windows it takes a couple seconds to draw frames.

I just don't know what’s going on here.

"I just don't know what’s going on here"

You obviously have it configured wrong...don't try to blame the CPU...you're the one that put it together

Geez Jam...

This is supposed to be a help board not a "criticizing" board.

One of the biggest causes of slow downs is overheating when you install a new cpu.

Weather is starting to get warmer now.
As you go up in speed with the amd the cooling needs are going to be more demanding.

Are you using the same fan/heatsink that came with your cpu?

You may want to consider replacing just the fan on the heatsink with about a 75~CFM fan.

I picked a nice thermaltake one up at COMPUSA or you may want to check around the net for one.

That will fix the problem. IT is also best to use Artic Silver 5 when you install the cpu.

In the meantime you could try opening the case fan and putting a fan blowing into to see if that helps until you get a better fan for the heatsink.

Also search around for some temp monitoring software to check the temperatures.
Many times they come with the motherboard but there are some free ones out there.

This would be a good place to start troubleshooting the issue.

Also check your case fans make sure there is no dust etc.

That chip isn't running hot. Something else must be setup wrong if the system is running slow.

Robbie,

An AMD CPU will not slow down due to heat...the system will crash, lockup, randomly reboot, etc, but it will not slow down. Besides, his temps are normal for a Barton.

And I made my comment because it appeared to me, that Symbios was insinuating that the CPU was to blame for his system running slow, which it is not.

Symbios,

You didn't provide any info about your setup other than CPU & temps. We'd need more detailed system specs & exactly what's happening to be able to help...

Jam,

Hate to differ with you, however an AMD will absolutely cause your programs to run slow with freeze like systoms.

I just had that happen.

If he jumps up to 51 C just defragging that is not good.

It shows me that the heatsink is not doing its job or cpu does not have the artic silver applied correctly.

Defragging is disk and CPU intensive. 51c isn't too hot for that chip. Did the poster do a clean install of the OS when switching out MB/processor? First of all I would suggest a benchmark test to see if this system is really running slow. Sandra can compare this system to a typical comparible system. If readings are off by say 15% or more than then attempt to diagnose the issues that may be holding the machine back. Some causes could be improper settings in the BIOS, wrong drivers, HD not running in DMA mode. (need sp2 to run full ATA100) multiple listings of hardware in device manager. (detected only in safe mode) The list go on.
Robbie - If the CPU is going to slow down due to heat, that temperature needs to be much higher than 51c. I would say 70c or more. Cooling could possibly be better but I doublt it is an issue here.

Robbie,

"freeze like systoms" (symptoms?) are not the same as the system slowing down. A P4 CPU/system will slowdown when overheated, an AMD CPU/system will behave erratically when overheated. And by overheated, I don't mean 51C...I'm talking about well over 60C

I am not trying to argue, but I have a 3000xp that just did the same thing at 51 c idle temps.

It did not behave irratically, what mine did is take forever to open windows.

Just a general sluggish operation.

As I stated above, putting the new fan in solved the problem.

My system now runs 40 c idle.

I have had the same issue with 2500, 2600 xp also.

It may be a glitch with those cpu. That is the only thing I can think of.

Updating the bios did help some, but I ended up upgrading the fans on the heatsink to solve the problem.

Unfortunately computers are not a perfect science, and while 51 c may be okay for some systems, I find in some others it is not.

Just my two cents.......

Wow! Didn’t expect this many posts! Most of them seem to be Rob and Jam arguing with each other! :)
Ok let’s see if I can answer these questions:

Jam,

I am not blaming the CPU at all, not once did I say it was the CPU’s fault.

Heres my setup:

Shuttle AN35N Ultra
512MB K-byte PC 2700 Ram
40GB 7200 RPM Western Digital HD 2MB Cache
128MB nVidia Geforce FX 5200
Antec Smart Power 350W PSU (350W, Could this be the problem?)
And a couple of CD burners

Rob,

I am using the OEM fan and their stupid thermal pad, I know bad idea but it was all I had at the time. And of course I later found a tube of Arctic Silver buried in a drawer!

I know you will probably say,

“Well there’s the problem right there, replace the pad with the Arctic Silver you stupid idiot!”

But I hate to take the thing back off, because AMD’s are a pain in the *** to take off!
And my case has about a hundred screws that need to be removed. (Stupid cheap thing!)
And it doesn’t really make sense that AMD would supply parts that are incapable of cooling the processor properly. (I’m not over clocking by the way)

OtheHill,

Of course I did a clean install are you nuts?! :)
The readings were about 10% off, so I guess no problems there.

No, I am not nuts. I am aware of what inexperienced computer users are capable of. From here, looking at my monitor I can't "see" your level of competence. You are the one with a problem though. AMD HS/fans are not a problem to take off and on if your use the right size screwdriver. I hope the next time you buy a case you remember what you just said. I am using a case right now that has had 5 MBs in it. Both sides, top, front all are removable and the drive cage and MB tray are also removable. It doesn't look pretty though. Last point, "And it doesn’t really make sense that AMD would supply parts that are incapable of cooling the processor properly". Elsewhere you state you are using a generic HS on an OEM processor. How is AMD responsible for your choice of HS/fan. If you have heating problems the HS/fan is probably inadequate. If you meant to say that you were using a AMD retail processor that comes with HS/fan then my mistake. Are you sure the HS isn't rotated 180 degrees? It is possible to do.

I was just kidding when I said that, I know you’re not nuts… or are you? (Just kidding again)

Sorry, I meant to say I bought the Retail package.
And I double-checked to see if it was backwards when I installed it.

I may have overreacted. The statement does hold true though. Did you ever try running any benchmarks, like sandra to compare with average systems?

I had a DEL system (customers) that had cpu overheating. Wxp had crashed, would not reload blue screens etc. loaded windows with case open and 18" fan full speed. then ran ok (with standard cooling) I phoned DEL, then downloaded and ran their diag software: reported HARD DISK ABOUT TO FAIL - fitted new drive and loaded win xp no probs first go, standard cooling.
Sacndisk and Msoft h/d error checking said h/d was OK! but it weren't