Am stupid, but will follow directions

Ibm Thinkpad 600e
January 31, 2010 at 09:54:00
Specs: Windows 98
I inherited from daughter after it no longer worked. I know nothing. If you hate questions from newbies, please tell me where else to ask my questions so I do not offend you.

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#1
January 31, 2010 at 09:58:29
Ask away, the only time people get offended on this site is when
arrogant posters demand help without so much as a please, or
when posters don't give enough information to start with &
preferably in half-decent English.

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#2
January 31, 2010 at 09:58:59
... with the power adapter hooked up to it (and turned on of course) when you press the on/power button of the laptop what do you see on the screen?

... does it post anything to the screen?


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#3
January 31, 2010 at 10:38:38
Mavis007 and johnr,
Thank you both for responding. When I turn it on, it shows "Thinkpad" in lower left, "IBM" in upper right, and "163264 KB OK” in upper left.

There is then one beep, followed briefly by a string of symbols and 13 smiling faces, then finally a prompt.


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#4
January 31, 2010 at 10:56:42
... @ the prompt please type:

ver

... then [press enter]

... post back here what it displays

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#5
January 31, 2010 at 11:04:50
As soon as I hit the "v" it restarted

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#6
January 31, 2010 at 11:06:07
... I maybe should have said that what I called the "prompt" is really the flashing "_" at the end of the smiling faces.

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#7
January 31, 2010 at 11:34:24
... do you have a windows 98se bootup floppy?

... if you have a blank one you can create one by downloading from here (click>) Windows 98 SE OEM, once downloaded and saved to your harddrive right click onto "boot98se.exe" and it should begin to extract and create the bootup floppy.

... once created insert into laptop floppy drive and restart, it should then bootup in "dos"

... once booted up to A:\>

... type C: [press enter]

... next (type) cd\windows\command [press enter]

... next (type) scanreg /restore [press enter]

... (space before / ) select the oldest date using "arrow keys" [press enter]


... *Note before trying these steps please ask daughter when was the last time she used the machine and was it "ok" on the selected date?

... depending on its age and how long the laptop cmos battery was changed last, might also be worth asking

... if you do'nt want to spend anything just go ahead and try the
"scanreg /restore"

... remove floppy then restart

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#8
January 31, 2010 at 11:51:59
Thanks, This is where my ignorance will become evident. I have three disks-two that came with the machine and one i purchased from the web when the originals did not seem to work--someone at local store suggested that the original disks were malfunctioning.
Disks are:
1. "Product recovery CD-ROM for IBM Thinkpad 660E MT 2645," version 1.0
2. "Software Selections CD for IBM Thinkpad 600E" version 1.0
3. "Cardinal Works@Boot CDRom "\Thinkpad600 Series Recovery OEM + Reference"

Will any of these do what you ask?
If not, can I download and burn the "Windows 98 SE OEM" from the computer I am using right now without ruining anything on this computer?

Thanks again.


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#9
January 31, 2010 at 12:36:33
... keep hold of those "CD's" esp nos 1

... the download I was refering to is for a floppy click me

"...someone at local store suggested that the original disks were malfunctioning..."

... did he test the cd's or just suggest the above?

... perhaps your laptop needs the bios to be set to boot from cdrom "first"

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#10
January 31, 2010 at 12:56:47
... to enter your bios:

With the unit powered off, hold the <F1> key and power the unit on. Keep <F1> held down until Easy setup appears.

... once in the bios look for boot-up order sequence (something like)

... alter the setting to cdrom first using arrow keys and save the setting when you exit the bios

... then you should be able to boot up with the "Product recovery CD-ROM for IBM Thinkpad 660E MT 2645" if thats the correct CD for the laptop

... if you decide to use your recovery bootup cd please note that any other data like "love letters" pictures will be hosed as the recovery wipes everything off to factory condition

... thats what they're for!


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#11
January 31, 2010 at 13:35:35
OK, I have done the BIOS Easy Set up and the order is DC crive and then Hard drive.

It asked me to restart, so I put in the "Product Recovery..." disk that came with the computer.

It started with the same screen I described before and the "beep."

Now there is a blue screen that says "Recovery CD" at the top. Tells me to wait... and then:
"Invalid media type reading drive D Abort, Retry, Fail?"


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#12
January 31, 2010 at 13:40:47
Again, I forgot to answer your other questions-sorry. When she gave it to me, the date/time battery had died, so sinec I was able to find out how to replace that, I think I got too confident about how to clean up the rest. She had photos and games and it would sometimes turn off and sometimes not start, etc.

I cannot remember what the guy at store said, but he did not test the CD at all. Can i stick it in another computer to test it?

As for Floppy (THANKS FOR PHOTO)--this computer has the slot where I can either use DVD/CD or Floppy drive, but not both at same time. Not sure that matters, but in case it does....


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#13
January 31, 2010 at 14:58:42
You know... it just occured to me, but is it possible that a DVD drive does not read a CD? I knew that CD drives can't read DVDs, but I thought DVD drives could always read CDs.

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#14
January 31, 2010 at 16:25:16
So do you have a floppy drive to swap in or do you only have the DVD (are you sure it's a DVD and not just a cdrom?)

A DVD drive will read a cd unless either the cd or DVD drive are bad.

What does the 'prompt' you mentioned in # 3 above look like? Is it a:\> or c:\> or something else?

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#15
January 31, 2010 at 17:53:54
Hello,

I made the Windows Floppy as per # 11 above. When I put it in, it gave me three options: With CD support, Without CD support and Help.
When I selected "Without CD Support" (not knowing if I had a CD that would help or not), it reported several lines, including:
Following files missing: RAMDRIVE.SYS
Error: CONFIG.SYS line 31

Does any of that help? I think I have a giant mess.

What I called the "prompt" is really the flashing "_" at the end of the smiling faces--not really a prompt, sorry.

The items listed in # 8 are all CDs, but the tray I put them in says "DVD."

Sorry I am using imperfect terminology when I describe what I am doing. It feels like this should be able to be fixed, but I might not be able to fix it. Since it is so old, i was hoping to avoid taking to a shop.


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#16
January 31, 2010 at 18:17:10
The bootdisk error just means you have a crappy bootdisk that apparently didn't include that file. Well, maybe it doesn't matter.

The bootdisk should leave you at an a:\> prompt. Type dir c:\ and enter. Do you get an error message? If so, what is it? Or does it show a list of files?

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#17
January 31, 2010 at 18:38:17
OK, When I typed in dir c:\ I got this:

Volume in drive C is MAINPART001
Directory of C:\
File not found

0 File(s) 0 bytes
2,139,684,846 bytes free


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#18
January 31, 2010 at 21:17:22
OK, looks like you have a 2 gig hard drive that's partitioned and formatted but there's nothing on it.

The first disk you mentioned in # 8---the recovery disk--is what's needed. But you had an error when booting from it. The 'invalid media type reading drive. . .' usually means the drive isn't formatted. Your c: drive is formatted. Maybe you have a second partition on the drive that is your D: drive. I don't know why the restore disk would care whether D: is formatted. But maybe it's best to format D: and see what happens. Although, you might want to wait on that until someone with more experience with IBM laptops posts in.

But if you do format it, boot up with the bootdisk again and at the a:\> prompt type format d: and enter. It'll either do the format or give an error. If it gives an error message, what does it say?

Or, possibly the error is associated with the restore disk. So check to make sure the the disk is clean. Then open the DVD drive and clean the lens with a q-tip and some alcohol or windex. The lens looks something like the tip of an LED and will be near the center hub of the DVD tray. Kind of roll the damp q-tip across the lens once or twice and let it dry. Then try booting with it again.

Although that error is usually not associated with a cd go ahead and clean the cd and DVD lens first and try booting again from the restore disk. If you still get the error then consider the formatting.

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#19
January 31, 2010 at 21:25:32
You apparently have a type 2645-XXX. You should find a label on the bottom of the laptop that tells you it's a type 2645-XXX. XXX is the exact model and it might help us get you up and running.

Anyway, what is that number?

Skip


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#20
February 1, 2010 at 07:05:50
... hi "Ahagen" you might have it anyway here is 600e
maintenance manual download

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#21
February 1, 2010 at 12:50:12
Hello All,

Thanks for the posts. I am at work and will do suggestions from # 18 when I get home tonight. I think that the answer to Skip's question is 2645-5AU, but I will check tonight. I know I have seen the correct number before. I will also download the Maintenance Manual as suggested.

Thanks again.

Anne


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#22
February 1, 2010 at 17:55:01
OK, When I typed "format d:" I got the following message:

Invalid drive, or format not supported
FORMAT [/Help] drive:
[/F:size] [/N:sectors /T:tracks] [/1] [/4] [/8]
[/A] [[/B | /S] [/J]] [/Q | /U] [/V:[label]] [/X]

Thanks for your help.


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#23
February 1, 2010 at 18:24:11
Did you try cleaning the cd and DVD lens and then trying the install again?

At the a:\> prompt after booting from the bootdisk type fdisk and enter. Answer Y to large disk support, then option 4. What does it say?

Since there's an error with the ramdrive line on your bootdisk it's possible fdisk isn't available to you. In that case you'll get a 'bad command or file name' error. If that happens, post back your email address (and delete it via EDIT after I get it) or send me a private message with your address. That way I can send you a good bootdisk.

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#24
February 1, 2010 at 18:50:10
After "fdisk" i got:
FDISK R2.13 Fixed Disk Maintenance Utility

Partitions on 1st hard disk (7552.6 Mb, 1023 cylinders):
No Drive Start End MB Status Type
1 C: 0 276 2045.0 A PRI DOS FAT32
2 -- 277 1022 9457.3 N FAT 16X (secondary, LBA)

Select Options:
1) Create PArtition
2) Delete partition
3) Select bootable partition
4) Re-write Master Boot Record

Enter desired option: (Esc= exit)

I could not see the lens, should I just swipe the inside of the tray that i set the cd on?


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#25
February 1, 2010 at 19:10:37
I took out the disk and there was the lens-sorry I am so green. When I put the clean disk back in, the message is:
Invalid media type reading drive D
Abort, Retry, Fail?

When I entered "Abort" nothing.
When I entered "retry" nothing
Each time I entered "Fail," a new message appeared:
Fail on INT 24 - D:\Lang
Fail on INT 24 - D:\recovery
Fail on INT 24 - D:\README.DEF
then finally "Bad Command or file name."
now there is just a cursor.

Does that mean anything?


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#26
February 1, 2010 at 19:32:24
That looks like a DR DOS version of fdisk. I'm not familair with it and the resutls don't quite add up but you have 2 gig partitioned and formated and some other space that's possibly unused.

The errors when you hit FAIL indicate they are coming from the cd. Or, again, it's looking for a D: drive on the hard drive that's not there. I don't know if that is typical of IBM restore disks or not. Perhaps the manual download will tell you something.

But my best guess at this point is your DVD drive is bad.

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#27
February 1, 2010 at 19:39:49
OK, Thanks for trying. I am reading the manual and will see if it gives any ideas. Looks like I might be heading for the repair place after all--but at least I know a bit more about my machine before I go.

Thanks again to all who tried. If I get it to work, it'll be a good day!


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#28
February 2, 2010 at 07:33:06
Maybe I am not stupid as much as unwise...
Since mavis007 sent the link to the "Maintenance Manual Download" and DAVEINCAPS suggested both that the DVD Drive was possibly bad and Formatting might help, I tried the Low-Level Formatting on page 23 of the manual. Since I can't get this machine to do anything right now, erasing information on the disk did not seem too dangerous. I was prompted to use the IBM Hardware Maintenance Disk. but when I tried, it needed a password. Where do I find that pw?

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#29
February 2, 2010 at 09:17:27
... "IBM Hardware Maintenance Disk" is that a floppy disk?

... if so look for version number for it perhaps in a text (txt) file or as it boots up the version should be displayed(?)

... post back version number plz

... I am guessing that it is a floppy disk!

... please post here the content of the file "autoexec.bat" here ....thx

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#30
February 2, 2010 at 19:41:40
Hello--I appreciate your tenacity!

The "IBM Hardware Maintenance Diskette" is a floppy.
Version 1.20

It won't let me past the message asking for a password at the prompt--it never goes to a prompt.

Thanks


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#31
February 3, 2010 at 01:54:01
... are you booting up with the floppy or is it asking for pass when you click onto "test" icon?

... try just [press enter] when asking for pass

... it might not be a good idea to format @ this stage untill your cd/dvd drive is sorted.

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#32
February 3, 2010 at 08:11:28
Yes, booting from this floppy. "ENTER" goes nowhere.

Repair guy has offered to reinstall Windows98 for $75. Guys at not-for-profit computer place have offered a Puppy Linux OS for free.

I think I messed something up before I ever started asking for help--big mistake and I hope to have learned my lesson on that. Next time I will ask before I attempt ANYTHING so i will not have compounded problems.

Care to weigh in on the Puppy vs. Windows? I now know that I have a 2G hard drive which is too small for many things.-I didn't know that before, so all is good.

Thanks again for trying.


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#33
February 3, 2010 at 14:50:57
You have a 2 gig partition on a drive that is either 7.5 or 10 gig, depending on which fdisk figure is accurate. So it can be repartitioned to a larger one or you can set up virtual drives in the (as yet) unpartitioned additional space.

$75 just to install 98? What a racket. I'd be embarassed.

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#34
February 3, 2010 at 18:34:59
... "Ahagen" please post the content of the file "autoexec.bat"

... from that bootup floppy that asks for the password ... thx


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#35
February 3, 2010 at 19:38:46
Hello again, My ignorance will show again: Not sure i did this right, but when I typed "autoexec.bat" at prompt:
...could not create a temporary drive for the diagnostic tools. This may be because this computer has less than the minimum requires extended memory.
Path not found - :\command.com
Path not found - :\extract.exe
Path not found - :\readme.txt
Bad command or file name
The diagnostic tools were successfully loaded to drive.

File not found

To get help, type HELP and press ENTER


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#36
February 3, 2010 at 19:41:21
sorry I sent that too soon. When I then entered HELP :
"Bad command or file name"

I feel like I should be paying for your efforts! Thanks


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#37
February 3, 2010 at 19:53:14
Put the "IBM Hardware Maintenance Diskette" disk in a computer that's already up and running. Right click on the a: drive in 'my computer' and choose 'explore'. Right click on autoexec.bat and choose 'edit'. Post back what it says in the notepad box that opens.

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#38
February 3, 2010 at 20:16:00
We thought it couldn't get weirder, but there is no "Autoexec.bat" when I explore in other computer. I do see a readme file, though.
There are several files: ASPI2DOS, ASPI4DOS, ASPI8DOS, ASPI8U2, ASPICD, BTCDROM,BTDOSM,DRVSPACE,EBD,EXTRACT, FDISK,FINDRAMD,FLASHPT, HIMEM,OAKCDROM,RAMDRIVE,README,SETRAMD

What next?


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#39
February 3, 2010 at 20:25:47
Those files are typically found on a 98 bootdisk. Are you sure you're using the "IBM Hardware Maintenance Diskette" and not a bootdisk? Where did yoiu get the maintainance disk?

I suppose though the maintainance disk could have some of the same files as a regular bootdisk.

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#40
February 3, 2010 at 20:34:14
This was the disk I was asked to download in response #7 above.

The "IBM Hardware Maintenance Disk" has the following files: AUDDUAG, AUDDIAG(ZIPPED), CMDLLF, FLSHBIOS, LLFORMAT, USERINT, VPDUPDT

Thanks


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#41
February 3, 2010 at 20:52:26
There's going to be some hidden files on there too. To show those (on my 98 machine, your OS may be different) from the 'my computer' tool bar choose 'view', 'folder options', 'view' and check 'show all files'. Then click OK. Then 'explore' the maintainance disk again and post back any additional files that show.

I'm not sure what Mavis007 has in mind but all the disk contents should now show.

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#42
February 3, 2010 at 21:01:09
There is also COMMAND.COM and CONFIG.SYS

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#43
February 3, 2010 at 23:30:45
Post back the contents of config.sys using the same method I recommended for autoexec.bat in # 37 above. Then wait for mavis007 to post back.

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#44
February 4, 2010 at 02:50:37
... How to Copy and Paste "text" < click, saves typing

... you can paste content into "post reply"


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#45
February 4, 2010 at 21:25:40
You guys are like the everready bunny--you just keep on going!

But still not so simple as you would hope: The only way I was able to see these "Hidden" files is by opening a command window for the floppy drive. Then I typed "dir" and found 9 files. Now I have a prompt. How do I get the contents of config.sys from an A:\> ?


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#46
February 4, 2010 at 21:31:02
Type in type config.sys and enter. Be to to include the word 'type'.

From a:\> prompt you can list the hidden files by typing dir/a:h and enter.

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#47
February 4, 2010 at 21:37:32
When I typed the "dir/a:h" I got two other files
IBMBIO.com
IBMDOS.com

Using "type config.sys" I got:
stacks=0,0
buffers=48
device=flshbios.sys


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#48
February 4, 2010 at 22:37:32
I think opening the disk in 'my computer' caused the .sys files to not show. They do show from a DIR at a dos prompt. And the DIR/A:H shows the hidden files.

But it looks like all it's loading is a file necessary for a bios upgrade.

I don't know if that disk will be of any use. You'll still need to get the DVD drive to work right in order to do an OS install. But see what mavis007 has to say.

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#49
February 5, 2010 at 02:56:31
... "Ahagen" ... try tapping <F11> key as you turn it on @ bootup .... does it post anything different to the screen?

... retry tap like mad!

... if no good just out of interest try booting up with Win98 CD just to see if the cd/dvd is faulty or its the drive or even a dos driver issue!


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#50
February 6, 2010 at 14:35:27
Hello, sorry it took a day to get back on. With the tapping i got the original screen plus:

78 301


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#51
February 6, 2010 at 14:42:31
Check the manual but I believe the 301 is a keyboard error--probably from tapping the key. When the bios is detecting the keyboard you'll often get an error if you're pressing a key at the same time.

Not sure about the 78.

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#52
February 6, 2010 at 16:17:16
... ya! ... F11 is for another ibm recovery mode not sure which one now.... (google search result)

... its up to you to try win98 bootable cd to see if your dvd drive is able to read it without any faults.


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#53
February 6, 2010 at 19:58:23
It still does not read the CD that came with the machine, but can read a copy of the "Ultimate Boot" CD. Is that worth anything? Someone at work said it had all kinds of good tools, but I don't know what to do with them.

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#54
February 6, 2010 at 21:20:29
There wouldn't be anything on there to make the DVD drive read the restore disk.

Since it sees the ultimate bootdisk OK maybe the problem is with the restore disk. Again, make sure it's clean. You may be able to get another disk from IBM (although I don't know that they'd still have anything that old) or ebay. Generally restore disks will cover more than one closely related model but you couldn't use just any disk.

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#55
February 10, 2010 at 07:21:24
Thank you to all who attempted to get me up and running. I am going to take her in to the shop and let the guys there cannibalize this paperweight.

I learned things I didn't know before from you--like "formating is forever!" and erase really means "gone."

It didn't work before, so I am no worse off and I actually tried things I never thought I would try.

Thanks again.


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#56
February 10, 2010 at 07:52:32
... "Ahagen"

... you could try and copy the restore dvd

... some of the disc copy burn software worked for me in the past when a cd/dvd would'nt read before.

... it might even be a duff one maybe even never used?

... wo'nt cost much to try! .... cents

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