Am I good to go with these pieces of hardware

November 10, 2009 at 06:55:26
Specs: Vista, xp pro too, p4 2.8 gig 800fsb, 1

I thought I would check with you guys before I took the plunge.

I just want to make sure that these parts wont cause any problems with each other.
I know the CPU and RAM will be fine on the mobo mentioned. But, The graphics card being GDDR3, I'm not so sure of. Will this card below be fine?

Here is the listing regarding the core parts involved.

Gigabyte P43-ES3G LGA-775
Intel Core 2 Duo E7500 2.93 GHZ 3MB cache 1066 MHZ
Geil 2 GB black dragon ddr2 pc2 8500
Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD4670 1GB GDDR3 (Core Clock 750MHz, Memory Clock 1600 MHz)

Hmm,I guess so...

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November 10, 2009 at 07:19:59
The video card will be fine. The GDDR3 video memory has nothing to do with the system memory.

I do question why you're getting DDR2-1066 though? And why only 2GB? I suggest you get 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800 & underclock it to 533MHz to match the CPU.

If you can wait, I suspect there will be some good deals on RAM right around thanksgiving. Or try Frys...they have several 4GB (2 x 2GB) kits for about $50. For example:

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November 10, 2009 at 07:33:22
Hi Jam

Great news about the Graphics card.

In regards to the Ram. I made a post here about which ram was compatible with the mobo mentioned and was told I could use the ram mentioned above as long as I didn't have plans to overclock and It would be a 1:2 Ratio.

Heres the thread

Now, I'm confused a bit on what to do.

I do plan to get more ram over time but its sadly going to be 2 GB for now.

Edit: PS. Thanks for reply. Nearly forgot my manners :)

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November 10, 2009 at 08:39:01
See if you can follow my line of thinking:

Intel "quad pumps" the FSB & then markets it as if it actually runs at that speed. 1066MHz FSB doesn't run at 1066MHz, it runs at 266MHz (1066/4).

DDR RAM (DDR1, DDR2, DDR3, etc) is double pumped & is also marketed as if it runs at that speed. DDR2-1066 doesn't run at 1066MHz, it runs at 533MHz (1066/2).

Whenever you see the CPU:DRAM ratio mentioned, that ratio is based on the true speeds, not the advertised/theorectical DDR or QDR speeds. In other words, if you pair up a 1066MHz FSB CPU with DDR2-1066, the ratio is 266:533, which reduces to 1:2.

Up until recently, the optimal ratio was always said to be 1:1, but the latest testing has shown that 1:2 is slightly better. And when I say "slightly", a mean a few pecentage points. Hardly anything to write home about.

If your budget is limited, I suggest you juggle things around a bit to try to free up a few bucks, then get 4GB DDR-800.

How about something like this:


Intel Pentium E5300 2.6GHz/800MHz FSB - $70

ASUS HD4670 512MB (750MHz/1800MHz) - $38

CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800 - $80

There are several rebates involved but the total after rebates = $263. I'm sure you'll question the CPU choice & probably the video card too. The video card is easy to explain...the memory runs 200MHz faster than the card you picked, plus I'm sure $38 is a LOT cheaper. The 512MB vs 1GB is a pretty much a non-issue. If you care to take the time to read, here's an article for you:

How Much RAM Does Your Graphics Card Really Need?

Now for the CPU. The Pentium Dual Core is nothing more than a Core 2 Duo that runs at 800MHz FSB & has less L2 cache. By going with the E5300, you'd be saving $50. It's default clock settings are 13 x 200MHz & that provides a TON of room for reclocking without necessarily overclocking. For example:

13 x 200MHz = 2600MHz @ 800MHz FSB (default)
10 x 266MHz = 2666MHz @ 1066MHz FSB
8.0 x 333MHz = 2666MHz @ 1333MHz FSB
6.5 x 400MHz = 2600MHz @ 1600MHz FSB

The last one on the list would be the fastest & would allow you to run DDR2-800 at it's default speed with a 1:1 ratio. And if you're concerned that 2.6GHz is less than 2.93GHz, remember that the FSB is 1600MHz vs 1066MHz. Of course you could always increase the multiplier from 6.5x to 7.5x & run it at 3.0GHz. Actually, it can go a LOT higher than that :)

I have a feeling you're not gonna go for my suggested config, but if you simply change the video card to the ASUS, you'd probably save enough to be able to get 4GB of DDR2-800.

NOTE: Sorry if I went overboard - I'm off sick today & have nothing better to

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November 10, 2009 at 12:00:27
Thanks for taking the time out for such a detailed answer. I appreciate the effort you have went to.

I understand the maths you're providing me. However, I'm going to stick with the parts I've chosen so far. The video card link you provided I have read and can understand what you're trying to get across.

But, I'm just looking at making it last a while. The pc is for my lad so I just want him not to have to worry for next couple of years.

I was planning on using a tool that comes with it to lower the gfx cards ram to 512 MB while on just the 2 gig ram on XP Pro and to be honest he wont notice the 200mhz difference :) I really would like to get him 4 GB of ram. But, I dont want to sacrifice other parts. The PC will eventually have 4 GB or over anyway.

I'm not sure about what you mean about getting DDR2-800. Are you referring to the pc parts that you posted or in regards to the parts I posted? My guess in regards to what you posted.

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November 10, 2009 at 15:20:53
Thanks for the help Jam.

I decided to change to a Sapphire Radeon HD 4670 512MB card with 2000 MHz GDDR3 memory clock/750 core and managed by dumping getting a new keyboard for the sake of a new keyboard and floppy drive to sqeeze in 4 GB of Kingston DDR2/800 ram that is on the Gigabyte website and says its supported for the Motherboard :)

Thanks Jam. I got there in the end lol

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November 10, 2009 at 17:01:43
Ideally, you should overclock the CPU to 1600MHz FSB so that you can take full advantage of the DDR2-800 RAM. But since I sense your unwillingness to overclock, make sure to underclock the RAM to DDR2-533 speed to match the CPU's 1066MHz FSB.

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November 11, 2009 at 03:19:25
Yeah, I'm happy enough to underclock the ram, If need be.

What I will do is underclock it if I have issues. Otherwise, I will just leave it alone.

I will be buying the parts in the next few hours and building the machine tomorrow then over the following weeks upto xmas giving it a good run out maxed when no prying eyes are around. I'm getting the new call of duty modern warfare game for myself so that should give it a nice run out on max settings in single player.

As for overclocking it. This may be something I do in say 18 months/2 years time, If I feel its needed. Not just that, It leaves that option open as the system gets older and games get more demanding.

Mostly we/he will play games on 1024x768 res to 1600x1200. However, Its mostly online fps games we play so lower the resolution the better frame wise.

You might laugh at this. But he didnt say I want a kick butt machine. He said I want to be able to go over 125 fps on cod2 online so he can jump on stuff like roofs that you cant get to otherwise. Nuts!

Not like its a total monster of a machine. But, Atleast now he can walk into the shop and pick up one of the latest games without being gutted he cant play it on his amd 1.53 GHz pc that he has now.

Even my pc can just about play the latest games on lowest settings. But, I'm not a heavy gamer these days. So it doesn't really matter to me.

God.. Can I waffle or what hehe :)

Anyway thanks for the help. I've ended up making better choices in the end because of your good self :)

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November 11, 2009 at 06:03:46
Got to the shop and ended up getting the DDR2-533 as I knew you were right and I was wrong.

All sorted now anyway :)

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November 11, 2009 at 07:07:07
I never recommended getting DDR2-533. I recommended getting DDR2-800 & underclocking it to DDR2-533. If you ever get the urge to overclock in the future, the RAM will have to be replaced. And in "18 months/2 years time", there's no telling what DDR2 prices will be like. Last year at this time, 4GB of DDR2-800 sold for about $20.

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November 11, 2009 at 07:31:08
Ah, you did say what you said about DDR2-800. My bad.

Anyway, I'm not all that keen fiddling with it so it probably worked out for the best plus my present rig 2.8GHz is well out of date and I still refuse to overclock it, hence, I doubt I would overclock the lads.

If it comes to that 18months/2 years down the line. I'll treat myself to an upto date rig and he or I can use it for gaming. But, for now there's just no point in it for what I do. Nealy 7 years I got out of this pc I'm on now. Had to replace 2 graphics cards in that time(one faulty, and shader 3.0) and the PSU died once.

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November 11, 2009 at 08:51:24
I would think with a name like "Extreme Gamer", you'd be the type that milks every ounce of performance out of a rig as possible.

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November 17, 2009 at 04:00:12
Yeah, You would think so. But, I just err on the edge of caution.

I do still tweak the system/game config just not my hardware.

Anyway, This rig is like a bat out of hell. Pretty nice indeed. I maxed out quake 4 and it was like it swatted a fly so I'm rather impressed with it maxed at 1600x1200 for offline games on Vista(old 19" crt monitor doesn't go higher). Got the New Cod6 there to install so lets see how that pans out. It should pan out nicely though :)

And there wasn't anything wrong with the other hardware. I was being so damn cautious that when the fan stopped on CPU just when I turned it on when benchtesting, I was being stupidly cautious turning it off.

Woke up on the Saturday in a "your getting it " no fear mood and within 40 mins installing Vista having a beer. That PSU going awol definitly shook me pretty badly.

4 GB of ram is nice. I'm Glad you suggested it.

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