so far i have socket 939 with AMD Athlon 64 3700+, GeIL Value 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel... DFI nF4 Ultra-Infinity NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz FSB SAPPHIRE 100118 Radeon X550 Patriot Signature Series 1GB 2 x 512MB

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sorry, I don't do messenger. What case & power supply do you plan on using...the Dell? Are you sure the PSU isn't proprietary? Are you sure an "off the shelf" motherboard will fit in the case? You need to be more specific about what your plans are & what this rig is gonna be used for. And who cares about Vista? The consumer edition's not scheduled to be released until early 2007, if MS can work the bugs out of it by then. Then the hackers will do their dirty work with it...then the "fixes" will be pushed thru & the holes will be plugged. I know I'm in no hurry to make the switch.

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lol i dont even care about vista... ok the purpose is basic... word processing... World of Warcraft so some gaming is good... i have a case picked out.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811156178 uhm... i'd like to do amd... with AGP so i need a nice mobo and video card with DVI... i need 2GB of ram, which from experience would be best with dual channel... i have a 250GB hdd already formatted with xp home so i dont need that... i have a sound card so i dont need that... the dell case is obviously going... and i have all the drives i need for like dvd ect... i'd like not to deal with the dell stuff now... thats going to my pile hehe i have a nice parts collection going... jam keep with me plz lol sounds like i need your help! DFI nF4 Ultra-Infinity NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz FSB SAPPHIRE 100118 Radeon X550 Patriot Signature Series 1GB 2 x 512MB

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Ok dude I have been reading the posts and its puzzling me, check this out http://www.gen-x-pc.com/pci_basic.htm As you can see pci-express, what most new motherboards today have, is superior to AGP. In addition to superior performance the graphics cards for pci-express are cheaper! If you want the computers to be vista ready you will need pci-express as AGP is almost dead and there will probably be no graphics cards that are Directx 10 capable, Directx 10 is what vista will be using as its API. Good luck with those computers hope shes paying you well :)

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The case looks cool but the power supply is useless...you'll need to get another. Seems like a pretty high powered/high priced system. Why the 3700+ & 2GB RAM? Seems like overkill considering "the purpose is basic... word processing" with "some gaming". And why AGP instead of PCI-E? What about something like this? http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4705559

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the question really is what games games are going to be played for that size processor and RAM? Yes AGP is better than PCI and PCI Express is meant to be better than AGP So go with the AGP 2 ways to determine the ideal mobo for the processor is http://www.giga-byte.com/ or http://www2.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/1,,30_182_869_9460%5e9461,00.html?1142962094 the second one asks 4 simple questions the processor (3700+ skt 939), Form Factor (ATX), Key Features (AGP 8x), and now select the vendor brand (I reccomend Gigabyte or MSI, just my opinon others may disagree) also dont forget there is a hard drive brand out there that has compatability problems with NForce 4 (I think its HIT but dont quote me). Hope these help.

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never know what he'll play... might be counter strike, which is high load, or world of war craft... plus she likes very fast very nice stuff... i think im gonna go pci express x16 with the processor and ram... see if i can fix something nice up... any other suggestions comments? DFI nF4 Ultra-Infinity NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 1GHz FSB SAPPHIRE 100118 Radeon X550 Patriot Signature Series 1GB 2 x 512MB

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I'm still baffled....

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WTH? Do not buy a new board with AGP. That's just silly for reasons already posted. Go with PCI-E. Please don't listen to anybody who is telling you to buy a NEW AGP board, unless you already have an AGP graphics card and you're not thinking of upgrading ever. This is based on several assumptions, which are unclear because this post has fallen apart. You need a mobo with PCI-E, and Socket 939 which should be nForce 4 Why are you buying a 9250 anyways? Especially with 256 MB? That's the dumbest way to "upgrade". You'd actually be reducing your performance. That's assuming your system specs are correct. Your card will never see past even half of that memory, and it's so slow and old that it will just chug. If you want a decent card that's cheap and capable of playing most of today's games, look up the X600 XT or X700 on newegg.com Also, your system specs mention an Athlon system, yet you say you want to switch to AMD from Intel because Vista doesn't work on Intel (not true, btw).

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Watch out for Vista folks !!! I have been tracking and tested just about every build, if you configure a budget system now, you'll be discarding it when it debuts and that is an understatement. If I was going to be building a new computer on a moderate budget at this time and Vista isn't around the corner then I can gamble on older technology components and play it out. Otherwise forget AGP and the 754 platform.

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Basically, this is how all the new windows is going to go down. Currently, the best graphical software and suppport is DirectX9, supportable by AGP and PCI-E. However, when the new vista comes out, so will a new form of DirectX (DirectX 10). This DirectX 10 will only work with PCI-E GPU's, because AGP is so behind the times. AGP (Advanced Graphics Processing) is outdated, and the main reason it even exist is that some dells still use it b/c it is so cheap. However, if you are not someone who uses their computer for high-stress purposes, such as design or gaming, than you wont be affected. DirectX10 is going to be amazing, pixel shading with 32-bit pixels, quality is going to be utterly amazing. The AGP cards just can't run it. AGP operates 4x/8x while PCI-E operates at 16X. AGP cannot be used in SLI, nor will it ever be capable. While there may be some DirectX 10 AGP cards, they will be over-priced, and totally useless. Some people posting here do not know what they are talking about, "AGP is > then PCI-E," Whoever said that just doesn't know what they are talking about.

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