Adding a second drive IDE to a SATA pc

Prosys / Cl50-15
February 14, 2011 at 14:07:38
Specs: Win Vista, Intel Dual Quad core

ok seen a few post explaining how to do this but it just confused me more. Here is what I want to do. I have a Western Digital hd IDE. And I want to add it as a second hd. Guess for sorting backs. What I have is ASUS MOB Model P5KPL-CM. And my main hd is Seagate ST3500418AS SATA type SATA-II 3.0GB/s. Just want to add the Western Digital IDE. I plugged it in as MASTER boots up and freezes at the Bios screen. Does not load up windows. So what can I do?

Thanks in advance,

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February 14, 2011 at 14:44:30
You have to go into your BIOS and change the Boot Order to the SATA Drive...

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February 14, 2011 at 14:45:03
Is it sharing the cable with an optical drive? If it is, one has to be master & the other slave. If the optical was already there, it's the master. You can't have 2 masters on the same cable. Also, you can't boot off the IDE drive. The Windows installation it contains is configured for the system it was removed from.

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February 14, 2011 at 15:11:52
Western Digital IDE hard drives usually have TWO ways they can be set to Master - Master, single, or similar, for when they are by themselves on a data cable, and Master, with Slave, or similar for when there is another drive on the same data cable set to Slave. That MUST be set right for the situation.

OR - you can set a single drive on a data cable or both drives on the same data cable to Cable Select.

If you DO have an IDE optical drive on the same data cable, if the markings on the back of the drive for the three jumper positions are not obvious, use good lighting at the back of the drive - there are letters etched into the plastic above each pair of pins -e.g. MA for master, SL for slave, CS for cable select.

Some bioses will attempt to boot from an IDE hard drive first by default if one is connected; some will attempt to boot from a SATA hard drive first by default if one is connected.

If the setting changes when you install the WD drive properly, the bios will try to boot from the wrong hard drive
- if that hard drive does NOT have an operating system installed on it, you will get a No Operating System Found or similar error and the bios will NOT attempt to boot from anything else.
- if that hard drive DOES have an operating system installed on it, if the Windows installation on that hard drive was for when it was connected to a mboard that is more than a little different from this one, often the operating system will NOT load all the way.

If you find the bios is attempting to boot from the wrong hard drive after the Western Digital drive is detected, go into the bios Setup and either
- find the list of hard drives in the bios - it's often near the Boot order or similar settings - the model of the drive you want to boot from must be listed first, Save bios settings.
- less commonly, there may be no hard drives list, but there is more than one hard drive listed in the Boot Order or similar list - the drive you want to boot from must be listed first, Save bios settings.If models are not listed, then they're listed generically, in the order the bios is detecting them according to which connections they're connected to - e.g. HDD0, HDD1, etc.

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February 14, 2011 at 16:16:54
The other thing to check is the IDE cable (if nothing else is connected to it); assuming the suggestions above don't work (as Jumper/BIOS settings are far more likely)
I find that older IDE cables have a tendency to break if stored incorrectly (bent?)

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February 14, 2011 at 16:20:18
Good point.

It is common to un-intentionally damage IDE data cables, especially while removing them - the 80 wire ones are more likely to be damaged. What usually happens is the cable is ripped at either edge and the wires there are either damaged or severed, often right at a connector or under it's cable clamp there, where it's hard to see - if a wire is severed but it's ends are touching, the connection is intermittent, rather than being reliable.
Another common thing is for the data cable to be separated from the connector contacts a bit after you have removed a cable - there should be no gap between the data cable and the connector - if there is press the cable against the connector to eliminate the gap.
80 wire data cables are also easily damaged at either edge if the cable is sharply creased at a fold in the cable.

Try another data cable if in doubt.

80 wire data cables must have the proper end connector connected to the mboard IDE header - usually that's blue, but in any case it's the one farther from the middle connector on a 3 connector data cable.

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