Solved Acer Predator Graphics upgrade?

June 10, 2012 at 19:27:02
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A couple months ago I purchased an Acer Predator AG3610-UR10P.
Here are it's specs.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...

As you can see it comes with an NVIDIA GeForce GT 530.
Its specs are here.

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/des...

As you can see its an OEM card of course and comes with some pretty standard features. Its a bit on the low end all around but I was actually surprised with some of the performance I got out of it. It played skyrim on high averagely. It would do ultra settings too but at a slow slip. The only way it would play The Witcher 2 was on medium graphics with all the frills turned off. The only real advantage to the card is that is has 2 gigs of ram, but thats not too big of a deal.

I also do graphics design on Adobe after Effects but with the new cs6 edition relying heavily on the gpu, things have slowed down.

Just looking for some buying advice. Not looking for a monster card, just something that can run all my stuff a a little better. I've seen some people mention the GTX 550 ti. It seems like a good one but I have no idea.

Any advice is helpful, maybe some pointers too so I know what to look for.

Thanks.


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June 13, 2012 at 13:27:17
"The model no. For the power supply is FSP450-60EP."

I can't get this *.pdf to load properly:
http://www.fsp-group.com/report/FSP...

I had the same problem with the *.pdf for the other two models I found there.

The FSP Group web site does not list it when I search with that, except on a list of products.. It may be an OEM only model - sold only to brand name system builders.

Similar models, N after EP:
http://www.fsp-group.com/english/1_...

Image of it's label:
http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp...

Max 360 w from the two +12 v outputs (30 amps @ +12 v)
......

"I'm in Louisiana."

I'm in Alberta, Canada.
......

"There are several different ones to choose from. I'm not sure which one to choose."
"And by many types I meant different brands of the same name (evga, gigabyte, asus). I wouldn't know which one to get."

As I said in response 6....
"...any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements. "

Some maker's card models have the video chipset, more often for NVidia chipsets, slightly overclocked, using stable settings. Other than that, a card with the same video chipset model including any letters at the end performs ~ the same - they're supplied to the maker of the card by ATI / AMD or NVidia.
They all use drivers that are supplied by the maker of the video chipset these days, so you can go to the maker of the chipset's web site to get newer or sometimes older versions of the drivers. Some cards have better fans - two ball bearings rather than two sleeve bearings or one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing, some have more efficient fans - generally the larger the fan's blade diameter, the more air it moves (cfm rating is higher) , the quieter it is.
All else being equal, having more ram rather than less on the card has no no effect on the performance of the video chipset, other than high resolutions (which your monitor may not even support unless you're using the display on a large LCD or LED LCD or Plasma TV) will have a higher maximum frame rate - the frame rates of lower resolutions are identical no matter how much ram the card has.

One difference in my experience is ATI / AMD is more likely to remove a buggy version of their drivers than NVidia is when enough people report problems with a particular version.

Newegg, and TigerDirect to a lesser extent, often has many user reviews to look at in the ad, but keep in mind people who have a problem are more likely to make a review than those who don't , and some people have no knowledge of the recommended minimum power supply capacity requirement, and may have fried the card otherwise from something that was their fault. You can often find out what they think of the fan and the noise it makes or doesn't make.

E.g. I picked a Sapphire HD 4850 card for a friend's son a while back based on the specs, benchmarks, and the user reviews where they said the fan was more efficient (a higher cfm rating - it cooled the video chipset better than average) and quieter than on most card models made by other brands, the fan had two ball bearings, the 1 gb of ram on it was much more than sufficient for the monitors and TVs the card was possibly going to be used with at their house, and there was a generous mail-in rebate for the model at the time.




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#2
June 11, 2012 at 05:07:57
I'm looking around $150ish

The radeon that that page recomends needs a 550 watt psu. I only have a 450 watt power supply.


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#3
June 11, 2012 at 05:12:41
unless I'm reading it wrong or something

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#4
June 11, 2012 at 05:21:53
If you want to see if you can use your power supply for a better graphics card you will have to open the case and read all of the specs off of the label. You are particularly interested in the 12Volt Amperage(s), how many 12Volt Rails you have, whether it lists Active PFC (preferred) and the efficiency rating (if listed) and finally the brand and model number.
I do recommend the GTX550 Ti with GDDR5 memory and at least 1GB of built in memory (2GB being better for Photoshop but more expensive)

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#5
June 11, 2012 at 06:51:39
Well in that case the 550 to is only 450w. So just looking at that I should b ok I think. I'm not home so I can't look more into my power supply.

Another thing, I see the 550 to but there are several brands. What's the differences and who is recommended?


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#6
June 11, 2012 at 09:17:58
NOTE
Acer desktop computers sometimes have a BESTEC power supply - if the brand of the power supply is BESTEC, that el-cheapo brand's power supplies are known to be a lot more likely than average to malfunction or fail completely, and they often DAMAGE the mboard when they do !

A BESTEC power supply malfunctioning or failing is probably the NUMBER ONE REASON an emachines desktop system fails to boot normally !


If you have a BESTEC power supply I recommend that you replace it !
(see the end of this post)
.......

The Witcher 2

The Minimum Requirements

•Processor: Core 2Duo 2.2 GHz or dual core AMD 2.5 GHz

•RAM: 1GB Win XP/ 2GB Vista/7

•Graphics: GeForce 8800 512MB or Radeon (HD3850 512 MB)

•HDD Space: 16 GB

The Recommended Requirements

•Processor: Quad Core Intel or AMD

•RAM: 3GB Win XP/ 4GB Vista/7

•Graphics: GeForce 260 1GB or (HD4850 1GB)

•HDD Space: 16 GB
............

Passmark Video card (video chipset) benchmarks
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/

High end
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/h...

E.g.

GT 530 - 748

HD 3850 - 778

HD 3850 X2 - 837 (two video chipsets on one card)

HD 4850 - 1,332
450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended

HD 4850 X2 - 1,423 (two video chipsets on one card)

HD 7750 - 1,752
400W (or greater) power supply recommended


GTX 550 Ti - 1,885
Minimum System Power Requirement (W) 400W
One 6-pinSupplementary Power Connectors5

HD 6850 - 2.749
Minimum Power Supply Required: 500 W

HD 6870 - 2,829
500 Watt or greater power supply

GTX 560 - 2,909
500 Watt or greater power supply

GTX 470 - 2,971
Minimum of a 550 Watt power supply

HD 7970 - 3,216
500W (or greater) power supply with one 150W 8-pin PCI Express power connector and one 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended.

GTX 570 - 3,626
Minimum System Power Requirement (W) 550W
Two 6-pinSupplementary Power Connectors

GTX 580 - 3,969
600 W Minimum System Power Requirement
................................................................

If you decide to replace the power supply....

Your power supply must have at least the minimum capacity required to support a system with the graphics card you are using installed, or the max graphics card you might install in the future.
(Onboard video - video built into the mboard - IS NOT A CARD ! )
If that info is not in the ad for the video card, you can go to the video card maker's web site and look up the specs for the model - often under system requirements - the minimum PS wattage, and, more important, the minimum amperage the PS must supply at 12v is stated. If you don't find that, any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements. Some power supplies have two or more +12v ratings - in that case, add those ratings to determine the total +12v current capacity.

If you're a gamer...
In most if not all cases, the max capacity rating of the PS is an intermittent rating. It's recommended that you do not load your PS to any more that 80% of that rating if you are going to be using something that puts a constant load on it, such as playing a recent game for hours on end. In that case, you multiply the min capacity stated for the system with the particular video chipset on the card by 1.25 to find the min. capacity of the PS you should have.

(If the ad description, or the manufacturer's description of the model on the manufacturer's web site, or the label on the PS itself, does NOT say the the wattage rating is for Continuous use or similar, it's an intermittent rating.)

You can replace it with any decent quality standard sized standard ATX PS.

Standard (PS/2) power supply size - 86mm high, 150mm wide, 140mm deep, or 3 3/8" h x 5 7/8" w x 5 1/2" d , or very close to that, though the depth can be more or less for some PSs.

DO NOT BUY A BESTEC POWER SUPPLY !
Don't buy an el-cheapo (in quality) PS.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...

I no longer recommend Cooler Master, AOpen, or Sparkle power supplies.
I'm now downgrading Thermaltake to middle of the road.
Antec has two lines of PSs - the better line has a longer warranty for the same or similar capacity - the other line is more towards middle of the road.
AMD has a list of Certified (tested and found to be good quality) PSs:
http://support.amd.com/us/certified...


PSU Myths BUSTED

Myth 1: Only Single Rail Power Supplies Can Power Up High-end Graphics Cards!
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/PSU...

Myth 2: A Single-Rail Power Supply Is More Powerful Than A Multi Rail Power Supply!
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/PSU...

Myth 3: A Single Rail Power Supply Is As Safe As Multi Rail Power Supply!
http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/PSU...


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#7
June 11, 2012 at 09:52:28
Man that was helpful. I still need to check out what kind mine is later. If it is A bestek I'll probably go ahead and take your advice to avoid causing myself more problems.

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#8
June 11, 2012 at 10:21:24
Another question. I've been looking at the gtx 550 ti cards. There's many different versions but most of them are 400 watts. If mine is rated for 450 max should I be worried? Even if it is a bestek?

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#9
June 12, 2012 at 08:38:08
As I said in response 6....

"...any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements. "

If the specs for most of them say a recommended 400 watt or greater PS capacity is required. then your PS having a 450 watt capacity is a bit more than that, but it's likely that rating in this case, and in most cases for any brand name system, is an intermittent rating.
" (If the ad description, or the manufacturer's description of the model on the manufacturer's web site, or the label on the PS itself, does NOT say the the wattage rating is for Continuous use or similar, it's an intermittent rating.) "

"It's recommended that you do not load your PS to any more that 80% of that rating if you are going to be using something that puts a constant load on it, such as playing a recent game for hours on end."

What's more important than the wattage capacity is the max amperage rating of the +12 v output(s) of the power supply, but you often have to search more to find that for a particular video chipset, or you may not find that at all.
E.g. There are "gamer" or "high current" or similar models of retail power supplies that output a lot more current at +12v than the average PS with the same PS wattage capacity, and many of those have a wattage rating that says it's for Continous use, but that's very rare for the PS in a brand name system, except for maybe some Dell or HP or Compaq or Sony gamer models.

Acer, eMachine, and Gateway computers are all el-cheapo computers, and those companies are all parts of the Acer Group of companies.

eMachine desktop computers usually have a BESTEC PS; sometimes Acer desktop computers do too.

Your el-cheapo Acer computer typically has a one year warranty.
It's likely the PS, whatever brand it is, also has a one year warraty, unless it says otherwise on the power supply's label.

A BESTEC PS will probably last at least one year if it's not overloaded, but after that, it's "....a lot more likely than average to malfunction or fail completely, and they often DAMAGE the mboard when they do ! "

How much more likely ?
The problem with BESTEC PSs on eMachines desktop computers was bad enough that many owners decided to band together and join a class action suit and sue eMachines in the US several years ago, and they WON the case !


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#10
June 12, 2012 at 13:07:22
I see now. Thanks by the way for being so Helpful. Here's some purchases I have in mind. Also, I looked at my PS. It says FSP GROUP INC. on the side. Curious for ur input on that type.

I'm looking at

Ultra 750
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...

It's on sale right now

And the msi gtx 550 ti
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...

Any input is appreciated


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#11
June 12, 2012 at 19:46:06
You do not need 750Watts but you should look towards power supplies with at least 80% + certified efficiency rating. Look at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
and even this one should be enough:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
The card looks good as do these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#12
June 12, 2012 at 20:20:41
I haven't come across anything glaringly bad about Ultra power supplies, they have a 3 year Warranty, or Lifetime if you register.

However, that power supply has a single +12 v power rail, as in, only one +12 v output section.

I DO NOT recommend that you get a power supply with a single +12 v rail !.

See the info at the three links at the end of response 6 !
........

E.g. You don't necessarily have to buy an Antec PS, but here's a good one for only $5 more....

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


Was: $129.99 Now: $109.99
Save: $20.00

Output+3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V1@40A, +12V2@40A, +12V3@40A, +12V4@40A, -12V@0.5A, +5VSB@3.0A

750 watts of Continuous Power

80 PLUS Bronze certified - up to 88% efficient

Quad High Current +12V rails with high maximum load for better graphics card compatibility

Manufacturer Warranty
Parts 5 years limited
Labor 5 years limited
.......

Newegg is another good place to see what's available for power supplies (and video cards)
http://www.newegg.com/Store/Categor...
...........

Regarding the graphics card, you could buy that, but if you look at my examples in response 6, even one step up from 550 Ti has a MUCH better benchmark.

E.g.

ASUS EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Free Dirt3 game coupon w/ purchase, limited offer

$149.99
$129.99 after Mail in Rebate - Expires on (buy it before) 6/30/12

$7.56 Shipping


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#13
June 12, 2012 at 20:26:03
You were asked to post the specs to your current power supply but you didn't do it.

You should NOT base your power supply choice on wattage alone. And you do NOT need a 750W unit. Stick to reputable name brands, 80 plus certified, single high amperage +12v rail, active PFC, 3-5 yr warranty. You can't beat this deal on a Corsair 600W but you have to jump on it right away:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#14
June 12, 2012 at 20:35:47
Daisyahoy said "I only have a 450 watt power supply." in response 2. It MAY be a BESTEC PS !

That Corsair PS has a single +12v rail.

I DO NOT recommend that you get a power supply with a single +12 v rail !

See the info at the three links at the end of response 6 !
..............

Of course, you could get a PS with less capacity.

E.g.

Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.2 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Was: $79.99 Now: $64.99
Save: $15.00
$3.99 Shipping

Output +3.3V@28A, +5V@26A, +12V1@22A, +12V2@22A, +12V3@25A, -12V@0.5A, +5VSB@2.5A

Manufacturer Warranty
Parts3 years limited
Labor3 years limited
.....

Antec TruePower New TP-550 550W Continuous Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Was: $119.99 Now: $99.99
Save: $20.00
$4.99 Shipping

Output +3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V1@20A, +12V2@20A, +12V3@20A, +12V4@20A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A

Parts 5 years limited
Labor 5 years limited



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#15
June 12, 2012 at 20:43:38
"Quad High Current +12V rails with high maximum load for better graphics card compatibility"

I'm curious how a 750W PSU can have four +12v rails at 40A each?

12V x 40A = 480W x 4 rails = 1920W


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#16
June 12, 2012 at 20:51:51
"Daisyahoy said "I only have a 450 watt power supply." in response 2. It MAY be a BESTEC PS !"

It may be a Bestec unit? Is it or isn't it? And other than 450W, no specs were given.

"That Corsair PS has a single +12v rail"

Exactly, that's one of the reasons I recommended it. Plus the fact that Corsair is a reputable company & the price is right on the 600W unit.

"I DO NOT recommend that you get a power supply with a single +12 v rail !"

I know YOU don't, but most everyone else does.

"See the info at the three links at the end of response 6 !"

I did. They are all from the Antec site. I can counter those claims if you like. BTW, who makes those Antec units? (I believe it's Delta) Antec doesn't manufacture PSUs, then again, neither does Corsair. If you look into the details about the unit you're recommending, you'll find it actually has a single +12v rail at 62.5A but 4 "sub-rails" tap into the "main rail". And any one of those "sub-rails" is capable of handling a max of 40A.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Cases-...


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#17
June 12, 2012 at 22:02:48
Oops - missed this....
"Also, I looked at my PS. It says FSP GROUP INC. on the side. Curious for ur input on that type."

Only FSP Group is visible ?
Sometimes the label with the specs is on the top of the PS case, or possibly on the back side, so you have to remove the PS to see that. Usually only 4 screws at the back outside of the case fasten it, where it blows out air.

So, it's not a BESTEC PS. Good.

I found only two possibilities on their web site. The first one is 80 Plus certified, the second one isn't.

FSP450-60GHS(85)-R
http://www.fspgroupusa.com/fsp45060...

PART#: PPA4501907 | WARRANTY: 3-YEAR

COOLING Fan(s): Single, 80mm sleeve-bearing fan linked with Thermal Sensor
(Sleeve bearings = cheap fan - you may need to replace it before 3 years has gone by.)

TOTAL OUTPUT POWER: 450-WATT TOTAL CONTINUOUS OUTPUT @ 50°C
OUTPUT CONNECTORS:
Main 24-Pin, (1) P4 | EPS 4+4-Pin, (1) PCI-E 8 (6+2)-Pin, (1) PCI-E 6-Pin
(3) Molex 4-Pin, (3) Serial-ATA 15-Pin, (1) FDD 4-Pin,

Output Current: 21.0A @ +3.3V DC
22.0A @ +5V DC
18.0A @ +12V1 DC
18.0A @ +12V2 DC
0.5A @ -12V DC
2.5A @ +5Vsb DC Standby
.......

SAGA+ 450R
http://www.fspgroupusa.com/saga-450...

PART#: PPA4001201 | WARRANTY: 3-YEAR

COOLING Fan(s): Single, 120mm sleeve-bearing with Thermal Sensor Linked
(Sleeve bearings = cheap fan - you may need to replace it before 3 years has gone by.)

TOTAL OUTPUT POWER: 400-WATT TOTAL CONTINUOUS OUTPUT @ 30°C (450-Watt Max.)

OUTPUT CONNECTORS: Main 20+4Pin, P4 4-Pin, (4) Molex 4-Pin, (1) FDD, (2+1) Serial-ATA, (1) PCI-Express 6-Pin


Output Current: 20.0A @ +3.3V DC
16.0A @ +5V DC
14.0A @ +12V1 DC
13.0A @ +12V2 DC
0.8A @ -12V DC
2.5A @ +5Vsb DC Standby


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#18
June 13, 2012 at 05:30:37
I say again guys, thanks for being so helpful, I really appreciate it.

I did take a picture of my ps but I've been working crazy hours so I havn't had time to post the specs. It is 80 bronze certified though.

On the side it says
135 w (+3.3 @ 16a, +5 @ 20a) 360w (12v1 @ 18a, 12v2 @ 18)
Then +5vsb at 2.5a
And -12v at .5a

And now I'm out of time again lol

Also it seems newegg has better prices than tiger on some stuff. Would you guys agree?

And I am also on a budget I'm looking at $150 max for a card and I guess $70 max should get me a decent ps? It doesnt have to b amazing or anything but I'd u guys recommend i spend a little extra to make it safe I can.


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#19
June 13, 2012 at 06:48:19
It appears the PS has specs in between the two FSP models on their web site, closer to the first one.
Is the model or the part number PPA... shown on the label ?

An example of a much better performing video card than the 550 Ti one you found is at the end of response 12 for less than $150, after a mail in rebate, but it requires a recommended 500 watt or higher capacity
.
It usually takes several months for you to receive a mail in rebate. You must do what is required to get it within xx days of when you bought it, it must be post marked before a certain date. I've always gotten mail in rebates eventually.
Make sure whatever it is works before you send in the rebate paperwork. It's usually required that you send the UPC code from the packaging, and it may be not be acceptable to return the product if that's missing from the packaging.

An example of a 550 watt PS for less than $70 is near the end of response 14.
I would get one with more capacity for the HD 6850 card.

Newegg seems to have more of a variety of PSs and video cards to choose from than TigerDirect does.
You can sort according to lowest price first on either site, but newegg sorts that according to it not having a rebate, which it sometimes does.

If you live in a reasonably large place, there may be local places that have good prices, and sometimes they have mail in rebates that apply only if you buy from them - if you don't know whether that's your case, you can search for places reasonably close, many of them have web sites, and if so the web site address is often in their ad in the yellow pages.

I'm assuming your in the US. If you're in Canada, there are additional things I can tell you regarding where to look or order from. E.g. you're better off ordering from TigerDirect.ca or newegg.ca regarding shipping cost and possible extra charges after it crosses the border and the time the product takes to get to you. .

By the way, Antec has been making power supplies since 1986.
There aren't many if any brands that have been doing it for that long.
E.g. Corsair didn't have them before 2006
(and they didn't make DRAM memory modules before 2002).

The last time I searched for an Ultra power supply web site there wasn't one.
When I searched yesterday, apparently there is one now.


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#20
June 13, 2012 at 09:37:45
The model no. For the power supply is FSP450-60EP. It also says the max is 450 and the peak is 500. So it seems it's gonna need to b replaced anyways just to keep it from being stressed all the time.

I'm in Louisiana.

Another thing I'm not knowleged on is, let's say I want a 550 to or the 6850. There are several different ones to choose from. I'm not sure which one to choose. The watts of the card is irrelevant now thy I'm gonna get a ps depending on what card I get. I can compare stats of them but I've been out of the game for a while and even when I was I wasn't very knowledgable on them.


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#21
June 13, 2012 at 09:41:12
And by many types I meant different brands of the same name (evga, gigabyte, asus). I wouldn't know which one to get. And size of the card doesn't matter there's plenty of room

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#22
June 13, 2012 at 12:48:54
I've been able to look at a couple power supplies. I will admit they are a little cheap but they seem like they might get me going. I've been trying to learn a little from u guys. I'm looking at the wattage and how many rails it has.

This one is 530w with 2 rails
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

It does seem to have a couple scary reviews though.^

This one is 600w 750peak with 3 rails.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

It seems to get good reviews


Like I said I'm kinda on a budget. I will take ur suggestions into account if these are just bad decisions.


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#23
June 13, 2012 at 13:27:17
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"The model no. For the power supply is FSP450-60EP."

I can't get this *.pdf to load properly:
http://www.fsp-group.com/report/FSP...

I had the same problem with the *.pdf for the other two models I found there.

The FSP Group web site does not list it when I search with that, except on a list of products.. It may be an OEM only model - sold only to brand name system builders.

Similar models, N after EP:
http://www.fsp-group.com/english/1_...

Image of it's label:
http://userdisk.webry.biglobe.ne.jp...

Max 360 w from the two +12 v outputs (30 amps @ +12 v)
......

"I'm in Louisiana."

I'm in Alberta, Canada.
......

"There are several different ones to choose from. I'm not sure which one to choose."
"And by many types I meant different brands of the same name (evga, gigabyte, asus). I wouldn't know which one to get."

As I said in response 6....
"...any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements. "

Some maker's card models have the video chipset, more often for NVidia chipsets, slightly overclocked, using stable settings. Other than that, a card with the same video chipset model including any letters at the end performs ~ the same - they're supplied to the maker of the card by ATI / AMD or NVidia.
They all use drivers that are supplied by the maker of the video chipset these days, so you can go to the maker of the chipset's web site to get newer or sometimes older versions of the drivers. Some cards have better fans - two ball bearings rather than two sleeve bearings or one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing, some have more efficient fans - generally the larger the fan's blade diameter, the more air it moves (cfm rating is higher) , the quieter it is.
All else being equal, having more ram rather than less on the card has no no effect on the performance of the video chipset, other than high resolutions (which your monitor may not even support unless you're using the display on a large LCD or LED LCD or Plasma TV) will have a higher maximum frame rate - the frame rates of lower resolutions are identical no matter how much ram the card has.

One difference in my experience is ATI / AMD is more likely to remove a buggy version of their drivers than NVidia is when enough people report problems with a particular version.

Newegg, and TigerDirect to a lesser extent, often has many user reviews to look at in the ad, but keep in mind people who have a problem are more likely to make a review than those who don't , and some people have no knowledge of the recommended minimum power supply capacity requirement, and may have fried the card otherwise from something that was their fault. You can often find out what they think of the fan and the noise it makes or doesn't make.

E.g. I picked a Sapphire HD 4850 card for a friend's son a while back based on the specs, benchmarks, and the user reviews where they said the fan was more efficient (a higher cfm rating - it cooled the video chipset better than average) and quieter than on most card models made by other brands, the fan had two ball bearings, the 1 gb of ram on it was much more than sufficient for the monitors and TVs the card was possibly going to be used with at their house, and there was a generous mail-in rebate for the model at the time.



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#24
June 13, 2012 at 14:39:55
You can't go wrong if you spend more for a better quality PS.
The example PS I pointed to is better.
"An example of a 550 watt PS for less than $70 is near the end of response 14.
I would get one with more capacity for the HD 6850 card."
(I'm assuming the fan has at least one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing.)


RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-530SS 530W ATX12V

"Fans1 x 135mm Blue Glowing LED Fan"

Check out the maker's web site to see if it says whether it has two ball bearings.
If it doesn't say it has two, if there is no S after bearing, it's probably got one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing.
If if has two sleeve bearing the fan will fail a lot sooner and you have to keep that in mind.
A fan with two ball bearing may never fail; one with one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing will fail eventually, but after a longer time than one with two sleeve bearings .


"Connectors"

"2 x 6+2 pins PCI-E Connectors"

Good - it will support 2 power sockets on a video card that are either 6 "pin" or 8 "pin" .
Some cards have (an) 8 "pin" socket(s)

"Manufacturer Warranty
Parts2 years limited
Labor2 years limited"

That's better than one year, but I would go for one that has a 3 year or longer warranty. One with a 5 year warranty will likely never cause you problems even long after 5 years has gone by.
.....

hec XPOWER780 600W(780W Peak)

$55 off ?
They're not going to sell it on sale and lose money, so it cost them a lot less than the sale price to buy it.

"Fans 1 x 140mm Ultra Quiet Thermal-Controlled Ball Bearing Fan"

Check out the maker's web site to see if it says whether it has two ball bearings.
If it doesn't say it has two, if there is no S after bearing, it's probably got one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing.
A fan with two ball bearing may never fail; one with one ball bearing, one sleeve bearing will fail eventually, but after a longer time than one with two sleeve bearings .

"Connectors"

"2 x PCI-E"

Two, good, but are they both 6 pin, or is one 8 pin (6+2), or are both 8 pin (6+2)
Check out the manufacturer's web site for the detailed info about that - sometimes that is only shown in the manual for the model


"Manufacturer Warranty
Parts1 year limited
Labor1 year limited "

That's another red flag to me. I wouldn't buy it because of that. Even a fan with two sleeve bearings will last a year, so for that to be one year when the fan has at least one ball bearing is odd.


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#25
June 13, 2012 at 17:59:11
Well I think I am good to go now! Special thanks to Tubesandwires and riider for checking in with good information. You have really helped me out. I wish there was a thumbs up system or a thanks system to give you both points or something.

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#26
June 13, 2012 at 18:37:47
Thanks for the thanks.

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#27
June 13, 2012 at 20:18:36
Don't forget the response #11:
You do not need 750Watts but you should look towards power supplies with at least 80% + certified efficiency rating. Look at this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
and even this one should be enough:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
The card looks good as do these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
That I pasted already.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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