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Name: rogerthomas
Date: September 14, 2004 at 06:15:38 Pacific
Subject: 4-month boot up problem
OS: Windows 98 SE
CPU/Ram: 128mb pc100
Comment:

Hello. I am having a boot-up problem with our
family 600mhz Pentium III.
This is a problem I have being trying to solve for
over 4 months so any help anything would be so
very much appreciated.

The configuration is:
Windows 98 SE
Intel Pentium III 600mhz .25micron processor on a
100mhz bus.
128mb of Micron PC100 Memory.
ASUS P3BF 100MHZ Front side bus Motherboard
Western Digital ATA 66 28gigabyte Hard drive on
a Promise ATA 66 Hard drive card
Floppy Drive
3Dfx voodoo 3 16mb PCI video card
Hollywood Sigma II PCI card
Vortex 2 PCI Sound Card
Hollywood HiVAL 16x DVD drive.
In a 400watt Antec SOHO file server case with
rear fans and fan pulling air up and out of power
supply
1400VA/900watt APC Backup Unit (in case power
goes out)

It is a home build computer. One day I went to
start it up and the screen just flickered.
I heard the fans whizzing. So I knew they were
working and it was booting somewhat.
I just could not reach POST. I thought it was the
video card or DVD card. At this time our Monitor
was connected or passed through our DVD card
and a cable ran from our DVD card to our video
card. The DVD card is a Hollywood Sigma II PCI
card and the video card is a 3dFx Voodoo 3 16mb
PCI card.

So I ran the monitor cable to the video card
directly. Still I got the flickering black screen at
boot up like the monitor or video card were bad.
So I took the voodoo 3 card out and tried it in my
other computer. The other computer booted up on
it with no problem. So I knew the video card
worked. I pulled out the dvd card thinking maybe it
was hanging the system. I put the video card back
in and the 600mhz system booted. So I thought it
was all fine. Bad dvd card. But it wasn't. Couple
days later, I get this message on boot up:
WINDOWS FILE ERROR. INSERT SYSTEM DISK
AND RESTART.

I thought 3 things: The hard drive had a virus, the
hard drive image was bad or Windows 98 was
corrupt. I was still able to boot in safe mode at this
time and get into the bios. Also at this time I had a
300watt power supply. So I was able to get into
safe mode and do a virus scan and found nothing.

I restarted the system the system and I got the
flickering black screen like my video card Or
monitor was bad. So I killed the power. Switched
the monitor because the video card had been
tested before. Still I got the same thing. So I shut
off the system and waited a day. Next day I booted
into windows 98 like nothing happened. Virus
checked it all. Nothing. So I backed up all my data
on cds and did a virus check on the cds on my
other computer and the cds came up with nothing.

So I thought my 300 watt power supply was bad.
The case I had was outdated so I bought a new
ANTEC BX1400 SOHO File server case with 400
watt power supply.

At this point I thought I should seek some outside
help so I called my cousin who has built several
home computers and is much more
knowledgeable in this sort of thing than I am. He
felt it was a corrupt Windows 98 image and to
wipe out the hard drive and that is why I got the
WINDOWS FILE ERROR. INSERT SYSTEM DISK
AND RESTART.
Error.

So I wiped out the hard drive took all the computer
components and installed them in the new
ANTEC 400 watt case. At this point I thought I best
only install the bare bones of what I need to boot
the sucker. So I had just:
motherboard in the new case,
cpu,
memory,
hard drive connected not to the Promise ATA 66
card but the motherboard itself,
and video card.
(Side note: the max hard drive transfer rate of the
mb is 33mbs). I even took out the floppy drive
because at this time the floppy on my other
computer decided to die on us. (Just our rotten
luck).
I even didn't connect the DVD drive.
I wrote zeros to the hard drive using our other
computer. Oddly when I connected the hard drive
to my other computer I was able to view all our
files like there was no problem.
Still I formatted the hard drive so it would be like it
was when it came from the factory.

I tried to boot it again and got the black flickering
screen.
The system is able to turn on. I hear the fans
turning. I see them turning.
The fans on my heatsink attached to the cpu are
moving. These fans are connected to the
motherboard so I can monitor their speed. Also I
have a green light on my motherboard and it
lights up. So I believe the motherboard is
functioning fine.

At this point I thought maybe the CMOS battery
was dead. So I replaced that. I also switched out
my memory with my other computer.
I tried to boot the computer. It does not post. I
cannot get into the bios.
All I see is my monitor screen blinking black, I see
& hear all the fans moving.The cpu heatsink feels
hot to the touch. I hear no warning beeps or
anything.I am baffled. Any help would be very
much appreciated.
Thanks.


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Response Number 1
Name: TopFarmer
Date: September 14, 2004 at 06:49:59 Pacific
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his previous post
http://www.computing.net/windows95/wwwboard/forum/161282.html


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Response Number 2
Name: Richard59
Date: September 14, 2004 at 07:04:56 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

You have known good PSU, known good ram, known good vga,known good harddrive. so that leaves the motherboard or cpu. one or both of these is faulty. Testing with known good components is the only way to find out which. Unless you have another compatible motherboard in which to test the CPU you will not be able to determine which is bad. and it could be both. It may be time for a serious upgrade unless you are prepared to take your chances in the second hand parts market. I managed to get a used mobo/cpu combo for the equivalent of about US$60 a few months ago after a meltdown. If you have to go with new parts your upgrade will need to include mobo/cpu/ram/graphics as the components you have will probably not be compatible.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach him to fish and you feed him for life.


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