2nd SATA cdrom drive

April 24, 2009 at 19:46:36
Specs: Windows Vista
I am trying to add a second cdrom. I want to add SATA since it is faster. Does the cdrom come with the cable and driver? Is there anything I need to know? I have 2 hard drives SATA. There are 2 blue SATA plugs on the with my hard drives and I am guessing the cdroms go in the orange plugs. I didn't check but I don't think the hard drives have jumpers for the master and slave settings. SATA doesn't have those settings right?

HP Pavillion a6120n
Vista
has 2nd bay for cdrom
Motherboard ASUS P5LP-LE
(hp motherboard name: Leonite 2-GL8E)

Ram: 4 gigs
Two HP 1GB DDR2 SDRAM 533(PC2-5300)
Two Kingston 1GB DDR2 SDRAM 667(PC2-5300) 667Mhz underclocks itself to 533Mhz
Motherboard recognizes 3.5 gigs


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#1
April 25, 2009 at 11:02:24
"I am trying to add a second cdrom.I want to add SATA since it is faster"

You may want to add another optical drive but as far as I know there's no such thing as a SATA cdrom only drive - it would most likely be a DVD combo burner drive - burns and reads both CDs and DVDs.

Optical drives run much slower than hard drives do.
SATA optical drives are NOT faster than recent IDE optical drives - both are max UDMA 66 - UDMA 4 in Windows - they have a max data transfer rate of 66 mb/sec - you can get models that have identical max read and write ratings, the only difference being they connect via an IDE or SATA interface.
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"There are 2 blue SATA plugs on the with my hard drives and I am guessing the cdroms go in the orange plugs."

Are you describing the colors of the connectors on the ends of the data cables, or the colors of the SATA headers on the mboard?
The colors of the connectors on the ends of the data cables are not relevant.

According to this,the specs for the mboard:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...

Four SATA connectors:
SATA1 = Black
SATA2 = White
SATA3 = Blue
SATA4 = Yellow

The only orange header is for firewire.

According to the HP parts list for HP Pavillion a6120n, with the country set to USA, there are two possible models -
GC670AA and GC670AAR
Both use the same mboard.

If your mboard actually has two blue and two orange SATA headers, either you bought the computer in other than the US or Canada and it has a different mboard, or you have the model number wrong.
Does the mboard have P5LP-LE on it and does it look exactly like the one the picture is of in the specs?

SATA drives don't have master/slave/cable select jumpers.
The cheapest way to by them is oem - merely a drive in an anti-static bag - those don't come with the SATA data cable - if you don't have one you need to buy that separately.
A retail SATA optical drive in a box may have the data cable included.
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According to the specs for your model, with the country set to US, you already have:

16X DVD(+/-)R/RW 12X RAM (+/-)R DL LightScribe SATA drive
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"Ram: 4 gigs
Two HP 1GB DDR2 SDRAM 533(PC2-5300)
Two Kingston 1GB DDR2 SDRAM 667(PC2-5300) 667Mhz underclocks itself to 533Mhz"

533mhz ram is not PC2-5300 ram - it's PC2-4200 ram
The mboard bios always runs all the ram at the SLOWEST specs of all the ram installed

"Motherboard recognizes 3.5 gigs"

That figure doesn't make sense, at least not for what the mboard bios sees, unless you have one ram module that is not 100% compatible with the mboard and only half of it's capacity is seen, or one ram module is not properly seated in it's slot.

Your specs say:

Video graphics Integrated graphics using Intel GMA 950
Up to 256MB (with 512MB or more PC memory)
Also supports PCI Express x16 graphics cards*

NOTE: *Either integrated graphics or the PCI Express x16 slot are usable at one time; they are not usable concurrently.


If you're using the onboard video, the bios could be subtracting up to 256mb (1/4 of a gb) for the amount of ram that is shared with the video, because that amount can't be used by the operating system or by the user for user data, but the onboard video can't share 512mb of ram.

32 bit XP and 32 bit Vista operating systems have a 4gb virtual memory address space limit, for both the ram and for what is needed for Windows. When you install 4gb of ram, only a little more than or a little less than 3gb, depending on the particular system, is actually available to be used by the operating system. You often find that if you install 3gb rather than 4gb, you actually have more available physical memory available to the operating system listed in System Information that you do if you install 4gb, and the system will run noticably better with 3gb, despite the fact all the ram is running in single channel mode.
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Your specs say:

Base processor
Core 2 Duo E4400 (C) DC 2.0 GHz
800 MHz front side bus
Socket 775

Is that what you have?
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The parts list says:

Power Supply [Electronic Parts]

5188-2622 250-watt (max) power supply (Zinfandel), Bestec ATX-250-12V) - 100-120VAC and 200-240VAC input (switch selectable), 50/60Hz

NOTE that BESTEC power supplies have a reputation for malfunctioning more often than average, and when they fail completely they are a lot more likely than average to damage something else, often the mboard.

If you have ANY suspicion the power supply is starting to fail, I recommend you DO NOT use the computer and replace it before it fails completely, to avoid the strong likelyhood of damaging the mboard.

Failing power supplies are common and can cause your symptoms.
Check your PS.
See response 4 in this:
http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...

DO NOT replace the power supply with another BESTEC one!
In most cases you can replace it with a standard sized standard ATX power supply.
Standard (PS/2) power supply size - 86mm high, 150mm wide, 140mm deep, or 3 3/8" h x 5 7/8" w x 5 1/2" d , or very close to that, though the depth can be more or less for some PSs.

Don't buy an el-cheapo PS.
See response 3 in this:
http://www.computing.net/answers/ha...
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Also, the 250 watt capacity is okay with whatever PCI-E video card in a slot that may have come with the system, but it's probably inadequate if you upgrade the video card.

Your power supply must have at least the minumum capacity required to support a system with the graphics card you are using installed, or the max graphics card you might install in the future.
(Onboard video - video built into the mboard - IS NOT A CARD!)
You can go to the video card maker's web site and look up the specs for the model - often under system requirements - the minimum PS wattage, and, more important, the minimum amperage the PS must supply at 12v is stated. If you don't find that, any card with the same video chipset including any letters after the model number has very similar minimum PS requirements.
If you want to cover any possible video card, a minimum 600 ot 650 watt power supply will handle any current high end video card, or even a X2 card (two video chipsets on one card) or two cards in two slots.


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#2
April 25, 2009 at 13:08:52
I replaced the power supply when I put the video card in (Nvidia 7800 GT).

SeaSonic 400 watt power supply

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Your specs say:

Base processor
Core 2 Duo E4400 (C) DC 2.0 GHz
800 MHz front side bus
Socket 775

Is that what you have?

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Yes that is what I have.

Far as the memory. The link you sent me for the motherboard, says 667mhz. I read on a forum that this motherboard is 553mhz, but that seems to be wrong.

In system info. (accessories/system tools) says:

Installed Physical Memory(RAM) 4.00GB
Total Physical Memory 3.50GB
Available Physical Memory 2.28GB

I read somewhere this motherboard recognizes 4GB physical memory but can only use about 3.3GB because of the motherboard limitations.( in this case about 3.5 GB)

Computing.net site has a thing where it scans my computer and it gave spec. of computer.
It said for Ram 2 gigs/ 3568mb
3568mb is 3.5gigs, why didn't it say 3 gigs?

Far as my optical drive installation. As you told me not a cdrom but a dvd optical drive.

you are right I have

Four SATA connectors:
SATA1 = Black - Primary HDD
SATA2 = White - DVD burner
SATA3 = Blue -Second HDD
SATA4 = Yellow - Empty

Now can I put an another Optical drive (Cd/dvd reader)there? Does it have to be in a specific order? Do I have to have the HDDs first?

Can I put one of these Optical drives there?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...

What does it mean OEM?( I know it is somethting like a manufacturer's parts are OEM- in this case with optical drives what does that mean)
What does it mean "Retail" SATA optical drive( retail computer store?)

As you said sata is the same speed as ide, but I would still like to add a sata optical drive instead of ide.

Is there anything else I need to know about adding an optical drive?
Does the optical drive come with the sata drivers on cd or does vista load the drivers?

I have installed ide cdroms but I didn't load the drivers (I think the OS installed the driversand i set the jumpers.

By the way thanks for all the help, I appreciate it so much.


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#3
April 25, 2009 at 13:55:04
OEM = Original Equipment Manufacturer, the difference between OEM parts and retail:
OEM packaging, drives in anitistatic bags usually no cables or software=cheaper & sometimes shorter warranty.
Retail packaging, fancy box, screws, cable and sometimes software included=dearer and warranty as specified on packaging.
SATA driver not required for Vista, check if it is supplied with cable or else buy one at the same time, you may also need a sata power connector, I'm not sure if they are still using the old 5 pin plug on dvd players or a sata one as on hard drive.
Best to see what spare power connectors you have on your power supply, before buying your new drive.
It doesn't matter which sata connector you use, personally I would use the next in line.

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#4
April 25, 2009 at 17:51:14
What you said here


32 bit XP and 32 bit Vista operating systems have a 4gb virtual memory address space limit, for both the ram and for what is needed for Windows. When you install 4gb of ram, only a little more than or a little less than 3gb, depending on the particular system, is actually available to be used by the operating system. You often find that if you install 3gb rather than 4gb, you actually have more available physical memory available to the operating system listed in System Information that you do if you install 4gb, and the system will run noticably better with 3gb, despite the fact all the ram is running in single channel mode.

Does this mean if I have 3 gigs memory there will be more available memory and will rum better?

Installed Physical Memory(RAM) 4.00GB
Total Physical Memory 3.50GB
Available Physical Memory 2.28GB

How can this be?

I read somewhere this motherboard recognizes 4GB physical memory but can only use about 3.3GB because of the motherboard limitations.( in this case about 3.5 GB)

Computing.net site has a thing where it scans my computer and it gave spec. of computer.
It said for Ram 2 gigs/ 3568mb
3568mb is 3.5gigs, why didn't it say 3 gigs?

I read somewhere (can't remember where) this motherboard can only recognizes only can handle 3.3 gigs of ram.

Even so it should have more than 2.28gb available memory( that is little over what the pc came with). Even considering what you said about that 3gig memory install will run better.

Computing.net site has a thing where it scans my computer and it gave spec. of computer.
It said for Ram 2 gigs/ 3568mb
3568mb is 3.5gigs, why didn't it say 3 gigs?


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