Mods, I also forgot to mention in addtition to his double-posting, he also cross-posts under his old name "andrew3".

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guys cool down. He may not know as much as you do no reason to yell. Don't get the 2gb of ram. Go to sharkyextreme.com and find yourself a brand spankin new beautiful motherboard. you're be much happier.

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This poster is the April 2004 version of board spammer/troller. There will always be those who feel significant by their ability to manipulate. This poster is an obvious member of this race. Its a parasitic appproach. I bet he looks unappealing in person and all these posts are a compensatory effort.

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estatik and johnoh, I do not mean to spam/troll the fourm, I agree with SteveWalsh, mabey I don't know as much as you. That is what these fourms are for. And you know what estatik, I do search google first. Hav you ever considered that mabey I may not be as good a searcher as you? And I do appreciate the time you take out of your day to help others that may not know as much as you. And as for double posting, I would like an example of when I last did that. Also, about the name changing, I just do that for to reasons, one is so the fourms don't look as cluttered, because I know that I have a tendency to post a "more-than-averge" amount of posts, and two, I just get tired of one name. My next name will be Exile Pentium 4 3.2GHz Extreme Edition, 800MHz FSB 2gb PC3200 DDR400 SDRAM Radeon 9800XT 256mb PCIX Turtle Beach Catalina 2x custom-made 660gb 10,000 RPM HD 550 Watt PSU 10mbps us/ds DSL

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The purpose of this forum is to help people resolve computer problems. There are other forums devoted to teaching that might suit you better.

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If you don't mean to spam/troll this forum, then why do you do it? Hey, I never said I know more than the next person, including you. My point was, if it's too hard to figure out, is, why ask questions that only you can know the answers to? I mean, for god sakes man, are you that wishy-washy that you can't make a clear and definate decision by googling and actually reading reviews of specific hardware you have in question? Jeez, how many posts have you made regarding a sound card, P4, UT2K4, monitor??? If that's not double-posting, then I don't know what is. And fine, if you don't want to follow anyone's advice about a piece of hardware you're interrested in, then why constantly keep posting about it? Are the replies not to your liking? Like you said, your inexperience leads you to forums like this one and you'll get replies from those that do have the experience/knowledge. I believe you need to make up your mind and just deal with it. It's fine to post to get one's opinions about something, but your posts/attitude are way too demanding and just plain out rude. And IIRC, didn't you make multiple posts about UT2K4 in the linux forums? Believe me, I wanted to help when I guess you were unsucessfully using linux, but by the manner you ask questions and the way you seem to have a lack of responding, which btw would've helped your situation if you just have, it just got intolerrable and annoying. If you feel that I am bashing you, then fine. But, I just hope that from all this, hopefully you will learn that there is some form of allowable etiquette that most will endure.

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"...I just do that for to reasons, one is so the fourms don't look as cluttered, because I know that I have a tendency to post a "more-than-averge" amount of posts..." Contradiction and unconscious manipulation at it's best (worst?)... "And as for double posting, I would like an example of when I last did that." I'm not going to go search for all your double-posts *cough*linux forums*cough*...I'm too lazy to bother :)

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I think the main problem is, he posts with a preconceived answer in mind & really isn't open to suggestion. He'll keep posting until someone gives him the answer he's looking for. The motherboard issue is a good example...he's gotten numerous responses recommending that he get a new motherboard w/AGP slot, rather than throwing money at his current setup. That's not what he wants to hear, so he started a new thread asking the same question, but added, "please don't suggest I get a new motherboard". Maybe we should just tell him what he wants to hear. Hey Dogzilla, why stop at 2gb RAM? Certainly 3 or 4gb will make that 9200 PCI video card perform like a 9800 XT 8X AGP 256mb?

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I do not post with a preconceived answer in mind. I am just trying to find out if there is anything better or cheaper than what I am getting. And what do you not understand about my computer WILL NOT take a new mobo. If I could upgrade the motherboard, I would have done thaat ages ago. Now anybody is welcome to try and locate a uATX mobo with 8x agp and P4 support, which I have been looking for the past 5 days! Pentium 4 3.2GHz Extreme Edition, 800MHz FSB 2gb PC3200 DDR400 SDRAM Radeon 9800XT 256mb PCIX Turtle Beach Catalina 2x custom-made 660gb 10,000 RPM HD 550 Watt PSU 10mbps us/ds DSL

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DUDE! Buy a new case w/power supply...you can get a decent one for about $50. Then you can get a full size ATX motherboard w/AGP. And you don't need 2gb of RAM...it's a waste of money...why don't you understand that? It's called "diminishing return". If you go from 256mb to 512mb, you'd get a significant boost...I'm guessing maybe 15-20% increase. From 512mb to 1GB, you'll get less, maybe 5-8% increase...but from 1GB to 2GB, you may not notice anything...UNLESS you run apps that require huge amounts of RAM. There isn't a game out there that even comes close to needing that much RAM! And what is that list you have at the end of your post...is that your "dream machine"? You mean to tell me you'd be willing to spend: P4 3.2EE/800 FSB = $850 2GB PC3200 = $250 9800XT 256mb 8x AGP (no PCIX listed) = $400 Turtle Beach Catalina = $75 2x custom-made 660gb 10,000 RPM HD = ??? 550 Watt PSU = $100 (Antec) OK...let's total this up...$1675 not including the HDDs (???). But you refuse to buy a new case or "real" motherboard??? Something's not right with this picture........

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Hey, whats wrong with having a dream machine? I cant get a new case, because the parts in my computer are these weird things made by hp that will not fit in a normal case. 2.0ghz Pentium 4 1gb PC2100 DDR SDRAM Trigem Glendale motherboard VisionTek Xtasy 9200 256mb PCI video card Turtle Beach Catalina sound card

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OK...I give up...throw your money away on this system...it's your business & your money. You're obviously focused on keeping the darn thing & can't see the fact that you'll never make it into what you want. Anyone else wanna try to talk some sense into this guy or are you all as fed up as I am? BTW, he's posting as Andrew3 again...now he's looking for a PSU to fit his crappy machine! LOL!

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jam, I don't know how you find the patience and the effort to help this guy. You're a true trooper! I've been fed up months ago when he came into the linux forum and sunk his fangs into it. Made me leave that forum for a period of time. Now he's in here trying to drain the life from this forum. Hopefully he'll realize that his narrow-mind will not only go unanswered, but also ostracized as well as he was in the linux forums. Just go away soon and depreciate another forum I just took a peek at his "psu" post and got my laugh for the day...pretty pathetic I tell you!

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Who is this joker?! More than 14 pathetic posts in the last week! Red meat is not bad for you, fuzzy green meat is bad for you. If your voting could really change things, Congress would make it illegal. If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.

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Dogzilla/Andrew3, jam is right, your computer isn't worth upgrading. At least not to the level you seem to want to upgrade it. Celerons don't have nearly the performance of P4s, and using PCI video would kill any serious gaming potential. Let me tell you about my upgrade history. The first computer I owned was an old Dell Optiplex upgraded (not by me) with a 4.3Gb hard drive, Cyrix 233, and 128Mb of RAM. I got it for free from my high school. It was nice. A 233 is quite usable with 128Mb of RAM. But I wanted more, so my parents bought me a 60Gb hard drive and a 256Mb RAM stick. Best Buy was running some kind of deal where you buy the two together as an upgrade package. The 60Gb hard drive worked, but of course I wasn't able to use my new RAM (it was a gift, and I didn't think to warn my parents about SIMMs and DIMMs). Eventually I figured I'd upgrade. It turned out I needed to replace just about everything. So I built myself a new computer and put my 256Mb of RAM and 60Gb hard drive in it. It was a Duron 850 that ran well at 900, a K7VZA mobo, and TNT2 video. My next upgrade was a larger hard drive, 120Gb. Then someone gave me a GeForce3 TI 200 video card. I figured it was time to upgrade again. My motherboard didn't support DDR, so I did the smart thing and upgraded to an MSI KT3 Ultra and 512 DDR when I got my Athlon XP 2100+. My most recent upgrade, this Christmas, was a 4x2.4/2 DVD+/-R drive. My grandpa is currently using the souped-up Optiplex for word processing. My parents are using the Duron 850 (in a different case, I'm still using the one I bought for the Duron). Sometimes my brother has a friend over who plays Diablo II on my old Duron. My roommate also has an old Duron. It's running Linux and acting as a Counter-Strike server. The lesson you should learn from my story is sometimes you have to just get a different computer! Imagine how riddiculous would it be if I was trying to hunt down 512Mb of SIMMs for the old Optiplex. Video cards, hard drives, optical drives, and RAM are worth upgrading, but only if the component you're upgrading is the bottleneck in your system. The lack of AGP and a Celeron 1.7 are obvious bottlenecks in your system. No matter how much money you throw at it, you won't get the performance you want.

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Very well put, Jake...but don't be surprised if you see more posts from Dogzilla/Andrew3/Exile asking for more upgrade suggestions for his HP...lol

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BTW, I noticed his latest post about PSUs has been yanked from the forum by the moderator...apparently he's getting fed up as well.

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Jake, don't hold your breath for a intelligent/appreciatve response from the OP. jam, noticed it too...all I can say if FINALLY! Don't get me wrong, I will never try exclude anyone from learning/sharing what is our passion here. But enough is enough and from the many times I have put it as civilized and with courtesy about his postings, he just won't listen. Oh, btw, I was bored and dug up some old posts and seems like he has/had another alias, "andrew" andrew3/Dogzilla/Exile/andrew, you wanted me to give you some examples of you double-posting? Well, you asked for it.. Double posts http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24550.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24580.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24778.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24769.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24757.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24784.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24800.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24065.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24055.html And here's a few to ponder (for you) and laugh (for us) about... http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24173.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24167.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24286.html http://computing.net/linux/wwwboard/forum/24484.html

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estatik, I admit that those were pretty stupid posts. That was because I had just installed Linux with NO past experience with it. And Jake, I am greatfull of you for taking your own time and typeing that for me. I may consider getting a new computer. BTW, This may cheer you up (or at least give you a good laugh. http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=story-af2004

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if you think someone is abusing the forum all you have to do is make a reply that asks Justin or a mod to look into it and he will delete the post or ban the poster if he thinks its appropriate to do so. That's what I did with this guy's psu post and it was deleted it within the hour. Now if we can just get rid of these signatures...

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U guys are gana kill me for sayin this...but I used to have 512 ram and now got 3 gigs...Upgrading the mobo is great but now i can muti-task like nothing elce. I have a 1.7 ghz proccesor and i can run c&c general, Microsoft flight simualtor and HL at one time with no lag. (i put the plane on auto piliot and play 2 games at once...its awsom!) My comp used to lag just playing flight sim 2002...the lag was horible on c&c general..now there is no lag when i play 3 at once...I recomend getting a better mobo because a better foundation will make a better comp...but if all u build is the foundation you wont have a comp. So, I recomend getting 2gigs of ram definetly...but try and get ram that will work in a newer board as well so if u upgrade you did not though all that money away. Sometimes ur curent mobo can take mutible types of ram. hope this does not confuse u more... -cody Duct Tape is like the Force, It has a light side and a dark side and it holds the world together!

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Thanks to the mods for posting this on the hot topics screen otherwise I'd probably never have seen it. It takes all sorts. I remember a few years back, somewhere between the ZX81 & PII I was in a pretty similar position looking for some EDO ram to upgrade my first ever machine. I had read somewhere that RAM was the most cost effective way to upgrade a computer and nothing would sway me from that. I didn't even know what a forum like that WAS in them days. It wasn't until I was metaphorically shaken up and down by a knowledgeable friend that I eventually took the plunge and ordered parts for a new-build from a 'configure it yourself with our no room for error drop down boxes' type website to build my own machine that I eventually started learning more and more with every google search for resolving problems I encountered. I believe a wise man once said "How can you hear our advice with an old mobo and a PCI card stuck in each ear" "Don't eat yellow snow" Martin

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