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x800 series
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Name: brickwood
Date: September 29, 2006 at 22:19:25 Pacific
Subject: x800 seriesOS: Microsoft Vista RC1CPU/Ram: AMD Athlon 2800+ / 768 MBModel/Manufacturer: my own custom rig |
Comment: g'day, can someone please clear up the x800 series for me? ive checked forums and tomshardware though i just need to hear a little from u guys/girls.... so far this is how i understand the line up: x800
x800 pro
x800gt
x800gto
x800xl
x800xt
x800xt Plat. Edition
then theres th similar type sit with the x850 series too, but i am mostly interested in the cheaper x800 series. the mobo i am gettin can take either agp or pci-e so am not too worried by which format. also is there any significant difference between any two in the series?
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Response Number 2
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Name: brickwood
Date: September 30, 2006 at 08:29:20 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)i do appreciate the help... but, in comparison to my last rig this is a big step up.. especially for the SHORT amount of $ i have for my budget. awww and i got my case n psu couple of days ago and its actually realllly good (also, $45 in Australian is a less than U.S so i hope that gives u an idea of my budget). me n my mate mod our own cases so i didnt want to go for some generic crap i couldnt do anything with. so, anyone else with some helpful advice please feel welcome to post.. later
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Response Number 3
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Name: brickwood
Date: September 30, 2006 at 08:34:05 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)awwww and btw... how does the x1600 series beat the x800, u cant go by the number after the 'x'.. u gotta know the performance
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Response Number 4
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Name: jam
Date: September 30, 2006 at 09:13:30 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)"i got my case n psu couple of days ago and its actually realllly good (also, $45 in Australian is a less than U.S so i hope that gives u an idea of my budget). me n my mate mod our own cases so i didnt want to go for some generic crap i couldnt do anything with" $45 AUD = approx $35.50 US I don't know how it works where you live, but the only case/PSU combo you're gonna find in the US for $35 is gonna be cheap generic crap! You *might* be able to find an *OK* case for $35 w/o a PSU, but a decent PSU sells for roughly $50, so figure $85 for the combo at least, which is roughy $114 AUD. It's one thing to build on a budget, but building using cheap crappy components is something totally different. "how does the x1600 series beat the x800, u cant go by the number after the 'x'.. u gotta know the performance" Who said that it does? The chart I posted above lists all the specs to most cards available these days....look them over & decide for yourself. And my recommendation to you in the other forum was to cut your losses, dump the crappy 9200SE that you have now, replace it with an X1600Pro or 6600GT, & just keep your current system going until you're ready to invest in a decent system. I agree that the system you're planning on building is better than what you have now, but all things considered, it's far from being great. You were told several times by several different people in several different posts to re-evaluate your build. But you insist on getting a crap board, weak CPU, cheap generic PSU, a mediocre video card, & running DDR333 RAM instead of DDR2. You obviously had your mind made up on this build since day one so why have you bothered posting 3-4 times asking for opinions/suggestions when your mind was already made up right from the start?
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Response Number 5
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Name: brickwood
Date: September 30, 2006 at 17:38:35 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit) sorry for the short post but i had a nice long explanation for things before my rig died on me that i somehow didnt get to post so ill make this blunt.. ..i meant the other way round with the currency thing..
..i already have a buyewr lined up for my old pc..
..the new case i bought was cheap, but it still has a decent psu and its pretty solid (http://www.misco.co.uk/slideshow/slideshow.aspx?prodID=EZCN880S&imageid=cb7d4c09-fd9a-4fbd-a6ef-d1b1e168c1a8_CTEN)..
..i thought this seemed like a fresh post..
.. the 512mb i have now is ddr-400 not 333 and i only plan to use this as a little extra for when i get ddr2 anyway. (the mobo takes both)..
..this is the cheapest dual core the mobo takes and it overclocks really well too so it will be a long while anyhow befre i need to upgrade.. and with how cpu's are pumped out on a monthly basis, i dont think its necessary just yet to buy the best. ..lastly, i can tell ur gettin annoyed so ill relax a bit with the posts and maybe just google around for help with the graphics card. p.s heres a nice little japanese site i sound w/pics of the case (the black one)
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Response Number 7
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Name: jam
Date: September 30, 2006 at 19:47:04 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)"..this is the cheapest dual core the mobo takes and it overclocks really well too so it will be a long while anyhow befre i need to upgrade.." If you're not gonna go for a Core2, the A64 is the next best CPU for gaming. Have a look at a comparison between the Pentium D 805 vs the A64 X2 3800+ (AMD's lowest dual core CPU). And take into consideration that the P-D 805 is being run a decent board with an Intel 975X chipset & DDR2-533 RAM, not some cheap VIA based board & DDR400 RAM. Also take into consideration all the other P4 CPUs in between that get beat by the "lowly" X2 3800+: Pentium D 805 vs X2 3800+ "the new case i bought was cheap, but it still has a decent psu" Apparently it's an EZ Cool case with a 450W PSU (ATX-450 JSP), which is a generic model. If you do some research, I think you'll find that it conforms to the older ATX 2.03 standard rather than the newer ATX12V 2.0x standard. Lucky for you the board you're getting only requires a 20-pin main ATX plug. It *may* handle your system, but don't be surprised if it doesn't. And if you ever decide to get a decent board in the future, you're definitely gonna have to upgrade the PSU again. EZ Cool 450W PSU
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Response Number 8
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Name: brickwood
Date: October 1, 2006 at 00:24:35 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)my head hurts....
...ok, so going from what u have said i think i still need to clear things up a bit. i did forget to mention in this post, but the psu is a 500w psu not 450, though it is an'EZcool'. i also didnt mention that for the cheapest prices closest to me and on ebay (Australia), the cheapest PD 805 is $145 compared to the X2 3800+ at $230, and if i were to have the money for the amd, i could still for the same price afford a Core2 Duo E6300.
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Response Number 9
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Name: Steging
Date: October 1, 2006 at 04:12:32 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)why go dual core? a single core cpu is still good for the coming years. and cheaper Sapphire Radeon X1600 PRO
AMD Athlon 64 3700+
Gigabyte K8NSC-939
1Gb Team Group DDR400
Maxtor 200Gb
450 Watts PSU
4 vents
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Response Number 11
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Name: jam
Date: October 1, 2006 at 07:31:08 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)"but the psu is a 500w psu not 450, though it is an'EZcool'" 450W or 500W makes no difference...it's NOT a good PSU & you will eventually find that out for yourself. "valid advice but i plan to oc the 805" Like I said, you came here asking for advice, but your mind was already made up. Go buy your cheap VIA based board, your weak CPU, & whatever other low end parts you have your heart set on...then connect it to your generic PSU. I suspect you'll be posting in the hardware forum a short time afterwards...LMAO!
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Response Number 12
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Name: brickwood
Date: October 1, 2006 at 23:15:17 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)jam, im 17 and i work once a weekend... i dont have that much money as it is and seein as u keep referring back to things ive said, i did name the post about the "x800 series".. u keep bringing up the cheap parts thing so jus chill bout everything else but the GPU
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Response Number 13
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Name: jam
Date: October 2, 2006 at 05:29:52 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)I don't give a crap how old you or how often you work. You're not building a good system & I'm not the only one who's told so. You don't seem to care though. Hey, it's your money...you can do what you want with it. But IMHO, you'd be better off saving up until you can do it right. I can understand your disappointment with your 9200SE...it's a crappy 64-bit card & doesn't support DX9, so it's not good for gaming. Actually, it NEVER was a good card. You could throw a cheap AGP card in that system & ride it out for several more months. In the meantime, you could save up your money to build something DECENT, but apparently mediocre is good enough for you? I know I'm wasting my time, BUT.....check this out: INNO3D GEFORCE 7600GS 256MB AGP That actually seems like a price mistake because the same card sells for at least twice as much in the USA.
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Response Number 15
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Name: blackbill
Date: October 4, 2006 at 06:00:19 Pacific
Subject: x800 series |
Reply: (edit)If you are doing lots of Gaming then I agree with JAM... ATI cards are great for video editing... they have great clarity to them. But it is pretty much known that Nvidai cards on average are a little faster. This makes them the best choice for gaming. I have a ATI x850, and a 7900gt. The ATI is much clearer (I use it since I do editing), but read-back tests show that it is also much slower. The 7900 is now in the kid's machine... not quite as clear (has a little trouble drawing straight lines one pixel thick without blurring here and there), but the speed makes it better for gaming.
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