Solved which would be the best way to go upgrade PC or just by new

February 18, 2014 at 22:16:27
Specs: Windows Vista
I know nothing about computers. I currently have an HP Pavilion with 8GB ram 1 TB hard drive. With a AMD Phenom II x4 910 Processor
2.6 GHZ. Video Card is a GeForce GTS 250. What I'm trying to do is play a MOBA (Multiplay online battle arena) game called League of Legends and stream at the same time. Currently I'm streaming but my FPS goes down to about 35-40 while streaming but when not streaming my FPS is 60 and higher sometimes hits 80. Also my current computer tends to freeze and crash while streaming and playing this game. I'm trying to figure out what way is better to just upgrade (if it can be upgraded) or just buy a new stronger PC

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February 22, 2014 at 18:34:04
35-40 GB download with 2.5-3 GB upload ping w/o stream is 35 w/stream 75 NOT the internet. Same thing is happening after I defraged. However, fps is now averaging 190 w/o stream and 150 w/stream. However even though this went up I'm still getting the freeze in both the stream and game to the point it kicks me off the internet completely and now have to reboot PC to get the internet to kick back on.


Thank you all for your input and opinions,however, I went with a new computer instead of upgrading as it would have cost the same. Instead, I got an Asus 12 GB ram 2 TB hard drive with an i7 processor and Geforce GTX 760 3GB dedicated graphix card



#1
February 19, 2014 at 04:53:54
You didn't provide the model number of your Pavilion but your specs are respectable. And there's nothing wrong with your frame rates either. The freezing & crashing might be a hardware issue, but it might also be a software issue. It's difficult to say without knowing what else you have installed & whether you perform routine maintenance.

Have you checked your CPU temp to see if it's running hot or overheating? Are you getting any blue screen errors or random restarts? When's the last time you blew the dust out of the heatsinks & cooling fans? Do you use a cleaner such as CCleaner-Slim? Defrag regularly? Did you manage your startup apps so that you don't have a bunch of useless garbage loading & running in the background? Did you uninstall all the useless HP apps that were preloaded on your system? Are you running a low resource anti-virus program? Are all your drivers up to date?

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February 19, 2014 at 12:02:20
Hi riider the model number is e9120y. I know really nothing about computers so here is a silly question how do I check the temp of the computer? As for random restarts or Blue screen errors I have yet to get any of that. What has been happening and it is only while I stream and play League of Legends that this happens, is I'll load into a round and everything freezes for a good 60 sec. before unfreezing and working just find. By everything I mean everything my stream freezes, my cursor is unmovable, and the game itself won't load until after this freeze.

Normally my cleaning is just with an air can. However, I'm not really confident enough to say that I even know what you are talking about when it comes to heatsinks and cooling fans...It is very safe to say that I'm really clueless to this.

I don't know how to Defrag so the answer to that is no and I have had this computer for seven years now. However, it is safe to say that I don't have many start up apps that start up with the computer. It is slow to start up takes about maybe 2 min to fully boot. However, once again I'm clueless as to what would cause that. I have to my knowledge which isn't much deleted all the useless HP apps that were preloaded to my system.

As for anti virus I have Kaspersky. I do know that all my drivers are up to date. I hope this helps a little more....


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#3
February 19, 2014 at 13:35:08
Those specs are actually quite good for a 7 year old system. If you don't plan on doing much more than what you do right now, then there's no reason to upgrade. 2Min boot time is quite respectable too, some systems even newer than that can take longer especially with the OEM garbage.

On my laptop I tend to get lag spikes similar to what you're takling about when my Mcafee runs a 'scheduled' (as in it's own schedule, not mine) scan and hogs 98% of my hard drive access time. You'd be surprised how much is dependent on the the hard drive. When you get lag spikes, does the HDD activity LED on the outside of the computer light up? Do you head a sound like a coffee percolator inside the computer? That means hard drive activity. And really heavy activity can cut framerates more than half if not 3/4 or total freezeups.

Since you have said that you've had the computer for 7 years, and that you haven't done any heavy mantinence on it, I'd recommend atleast running a Windows defrag if nothing else: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/...

It's also possible that your internet is rather slow, causing the lag but this really just sounds like a hardware issue what with the cursor freezing up and all that.

~oldie
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#4
February 19, 2014 at 18:45:28
Hey oldisgood No the only think I notice is the fans working harder then normal when ever I have x-split or OBS going. Also when I go to a site that is sponsoring me to stream the fan tends to be going as well. However, CPU use is less then 5%, going to try and defrag my system as well.

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#5
February 21, 2014 at 12:12:52
Here's another quick question: If your system is freezing and stuttering ONLY while streaming at the same time, ask some people watching your stream and see if they notice any hiccups. It's possible that your system is sacrificing screen FPS in the interest of keeping the stream fluid.

Also, tell us what the outcome of the defrag is.

~oldie
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February 21, 2014 at 20:59:58
Hello! This is online gaming and streaming at the same time! And this is for someone else. Of course it is your (his) internet (including possibly router, modem, and other network components) that is the primary problem as well as the resources that are allocated to the streaming, which are probably of a higher priority than the gaming. Unless you are able to reprioritize the allocation of resources, it might not be possible to fix this and do online gaming at the same time as the streaming. One possibility if both work great separately, is to do an internet speed test to see what your speed is and see if that is correct for your type of internet you are paying for and find out if there are reasonable options offered by your ISP for a faster connection. The other is to try to find out if there is a bottleneck in your system (hardware) or if reallocating may help. If you download Process Explorer from Microsoft and use that instead of Task Manager, it appears to have a feature that allows you to set the priority of processes. Be careful here since you might negatively effect your general performance if you play too much here. You can probably increase the priority of a process or two by a notch or two and reduce another by some, but do it step by step, write down the original settings, and test before changing anything else and avoid making anything to either of the extremes which might effect other things that are critical for the system to run well. I suspect that whatever is running the streaming is set too high for your system. You can also use Process Explorer's performance graphs to help pinpoint other issues.

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February 22, 2014 at 18:34:04
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35-40 GB download with 2.5-3 GB upload ping w/o stream is 35 w/stream 75 NOT the internet. Same thing is happening after I defraged. However, fps is now averaging 190 w/o stream and 150 w/stream. However even though this went up I'm still getting the freeze in both the stream and game to the point it kicks me off the internet completely and now have to reboot PC to get the internet to kick back on.


Thank you all for your input and opinions,however, I went with a new computer instead of upgrading as it would have cost the same. Instead, I got an Asus 12 GB ram 2 TB hard drive with an i7 processor and Geforce GTX 760 3GB dedicated graphix card


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February 24, 2014 at 06:57:04
I have chosen your own final comment as best answer for you both to mark it solved and because sometimes the best answer is to start from scratch with a new system. Sometimes too much is spent on old machines and once you start, you cannot stop because you have too much invested in it to give it up and start over. Overall, probably a wise choice. Any trouble like it you have from here out, is definitely not the machine.

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