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Name: Scoot
Date: December 12, 2005 at 12:39:12 Pacific
OS: WinXP Home
CPU/Ram: P4 2.0/ 512 rdram
Comment:

Older PC, with a Nvidia GeForce3 Ti 200 card in it, and want to upgrade. Not sure what will go in it that will work. AGP slot has divider towards the back of slot. Only running 512 rdram, because buying rdram upgrade has been too expensive in the past. I think there are 2 256 chips in, and only has 2 slots.

Need a bit more power for gaming, until I can get a new PC later next year.

Any suggestions on a resonable new card that will work in my PC?

Thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: Gatsu
Date: December 12, 2005 at 13:14:13 Pacific
Reply:

not really you cant just slap in a new video in an old rig. it would be totally pointless. not to mention that AGP slot could be 2x or 4x definatly not a 8x like all newer AGP boards. to be honest its pointless to do any upgrades to an old machine cause to have a good gaming machine you need a powerful video card back up with and efficent motherboard a speedy processor and at least a minamum of 1 gig of ddr400 PC3200 ram. not to mention a good power supply and a good comp case with good air flow. to even have a decent gaming rig you have to spend around $700 at the least custom built. like for example. you see my system specs on the bottom of this post..on newegg.com the P4 640 processor and the MSI motherboard only came to a total of 247.35 wich is pretty good im satified my comp is insanely fast now no lag period on anything. But yea if you spend like maybe around 300.00 you could give yourself a new video card with a new pro and mobo. but just save up its worth it in the long run. But then again i dont have a clue on how old your machine is im just taking your word for it you said old so lol im just sayin ya know. :-)

P4 3.0ghz presscot
MSI 865PE Neo-3 mobo
2x 512mb G. Skill ram
6800 GeForce AGP


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Response Number 2
Name: KingCody
Date: December 12, 2005 at 13:37:46 Pacific
Reply:

since you said there is 1 divider towards the back of the AGP slot, that means that it is only 2X/4X, but a 4x AGP card may still be a TEMPORARY upgrade for you until you get/build your new PC, depending on your current card, i tried googleing for your vid card specs, but i cant find them..lol so what is your card have now?

pci? agp? if agp..what speed? how much vid card memory?

also, depending on your board and bios, you may be able to adjust the graphic aperture size in your bios to use more system memory for your vid card


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: December 12, 2005 at 14:19:49 Pacific
Reply:

Which one do you have:

http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/agpcompatibility.html


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Response Number 4
Name: Scoot
Date: December 12, 2005 at 15:11:51 Pacific
Reply:

I am almost certain, I have a universal AGP card with no key. Will crack the case later to reaffirm.

Thanks


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Response Number 5
Name: KingCody
Date: December 12, 2005 at 16:30:23 Pacific
Reply:

huh? universal card? there is no such thing

and what is this "key" that you speak of?



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Response Number 6
Name: Scoot
Date: December 12, 2005 at 18:58:38 Pacific
Reply:

King Cody, my reference was to jam's post above.

Lookin at his link, it appears my card fits what is called universal AGP card with no tab.

My card is Nvidia Geforce3 Ti200, I am running a P4 2.0, with 512 rdram pc800. It's in a stock Dell Dimension 8200, which is about 3 years old. I believe it has a 400w power source. Not sure the exact mobo, or bios version.

What I need to know, is what upgrade card will work with my machine. I am hoping for 256m card, but even 128meg will be better than this one, I think.

This card runs great, with certain things. And playing online games isn't *that* bad, until there is congested areas, or lots of other PC's involved. This is where I am hoping to upgrade a bit. Example, in WoW, I do okay in open areas, but in city zones I lag hard. In single version games, like Morrowind, I get tons of 'freezes' while tryin to play. In EQ, online, I do fairly well in most zones, except highly congested areas.

I am tryin to get a bit more out of this machine for right now, until I can build/purchase a new one next year.

I am not extremely savy, but will try to get any info you need, but might need some directions in where/how to get it.

Thanks


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Response Number 7
Name: Scoot
Date: December 12, 2005 at 19:05:26 Pacific
Reply:

Dell Part Number: 8G894

This Dell Dimension 8200 Pentium 4 Socket 478 motherboard features:

1 - AGP connector (4X/2X)
4 - PCI connectors
2 - USB connectors
Socket 478 for Intel Pentium 4 CPU 1.5GHz and up
4 - Memory slots (PC800 non-ECC RDRAM)
25-pin Parallel Port Connector
9-pin Serial Port Connector
2 - IDE Connectors

I think this is the exact same mobo as I have. If that will help.


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Response Number 8
Name: Scoot
Date: December 12, 2005 at 19:10:02 Pacific
Reply:

Here is a link to my card I currently run.

http://www.guru3d.com/review/titanium200/

It's the second one, GeForce3.

Thanks


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Response Number 9
Name: randy_s
Date: December 13, 2005 at 07:39:28 Pacific
Reply:

Take a look at this for $87.00:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102338

In my opinion you probably wouldn't want to spend above $100 on a vid card if you plan to upgrade your whole system soon. The above is a link for a 9600XT which should free up some of the congested areas that you mentioned. It won't be perfect, but your gaming experience will probably be much better.

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Response Number 10
Name: randy_s
Date: December 13, 2005 at 07:46:07 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry me dumb. Check this out instead for $99:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102362R

I got my cards mixed up. That is for the 9800PRO.

Please see benchmarks on the cards here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/


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Response Number 11
Name: Scoot
Date: December 13, 2005 at 12:20:39 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks randy. Allow me to ask this, then...

what will be the difference between running a 128mb card vs. 256mb card?

And what do you think about these?

http://www.pricescan.com/items/item164838.asp

http://www.pricescan.com/items/item166876.asp

Because I am willing to pay up to that amount, if it is feasable...

thanks!


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Response Number 12
Name: randy_s
Date: December 13, 2005 at 12:38:08 Pacific
Reply:

If you're willing to spend that much then I would go with the 6600GT. That is where it is at in terms of cost to benefit ratio right now.

I would also recommend adding another stick of RAM to bring you up to a gig.

I wish I had an article to refer you to because I am not good at explaining the difference between 256/128. I can tell you this though, 128/6600gt will probably not be much less then a 256/6600gt. So go with more.

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Response Number 13
Name: Scoot
Date: December 13, 2005 at 12:46:26 Pacific
Reply:

Only problem with ram, randy, is I am pretty sure that I have only 2 slots with 2x 256 rambus in them atm. I would expect it to cost me in the area of 350 dollars to upgrade to 2x 512, which would max me out on this mobo...something I have considered for a long time now, but have yet to force upon myself because of the money issue vs. building a new one.


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Response Number 14
Name: randy_s
Date: December 13, 2005 at 15:23:56 Pacific
Reply:

Right. I forgot you mentioned that above. Well 512 will certainly work. The only problem with that is many MMORPG are memory intensive, a lot of swapping goes on, so this may limit the overall performance of your video card (bottleneck).

"There be no shelter here, the front line is everywhere"


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Response Number 15
Name: KingCody
Date: December 13, 2005 at 18:34:08 Pacific
Reply:

yikes! stop!
you're motherboard can't support those video cards! those are 8x (and are not backwards compatible to 4x boards like yours.

you will NOT be able to find any 4x AGP card with more than 128MB, they certainly haven't made any 4x cards for a few years now (although some 8x cards are backwards compatible to 4x).

but to be honest, your motherboard's system speed is so slow that even if you get a fast video card, it will not be able to communicate with the rest of your system fast enough and you may even lag more.

to sum it all up.. it's not your vid card that is holding you back, it's your entire system. If you do decide to purchase a new vid card, just go onto ebay and find a cheap card with higher specs than yours (but be sure it is 4x comptible) I just bought a 4x 64M asus AGP card for my spare computer, i bought it on ebay for 99 cents, 4x is very old technology now and u can get these cards for almost nothing, one with 128MB might go for $10. whatever you do, don't expect much out of any video card with the system you have now, you could upgrade your whole system for $300 (u dont have to buy a whole new comp)


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Response Number 16
Name: Scoot
Date: December 13, 2005 at 19:25:33 Pacific
Reply:

Okay, now I am confused. I thought AGP cards WERE backwards compatible.??

What gives?


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Response Number 17
Name: randy_s
Date: December 14, 2005 at 05:31:07 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah, I missed that. Sorry all. I agree with the dude's statement above, go ebay. I don't think it is a risk worth taking considering the amount of money involved (8x card). If you have a decent case a cheap upgrade may be in order since all you'll probably need to buy is mobo/memory/vid card/possible power supply.

How about this if you don't want to do that?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BFG-Asylum-128Mb-GeForce4-Ti4200-AGP-4x-Video-Card_W0QQitemZ8735035785QQcategoryZ40161QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Response Number 18
Name: Scoot
Date: December 15, 2005 at 11:00:17 Pacific
Reply:

Okay, am being told elsewhere, that an 8x/4x agp card WILL run in a 2x/4x agp slot, at 4x. So, a 6600GT with 4x/8x agp, will apparently work in my machine. Thanks for the input.


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Response Number 19
Name: KingCody
Date: December 27, 2005 at 15:05:01 Pacific
Reply:

sorry for the delayed reply, to answer your question, the 8x card may physically fit into the system, but it will not operate.


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