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Name: tordenskjold
Date: April 19, 2006 at 21:25:26 Pacific
OS: pentium 4
CPU/Ram: 512
Product: Dell
Comment:

I am buying from Austin computers in australia and it is all in $AUS.

CPU : AMD CPU - Athlon64 3700+ [Socket 939]
$342.39

Mainboard : Asus Mainboard A8N-SLI Deluxe, NF4, SKT-939, PCIE x 2, SND, GBLAN, RAID, SATA [A8N-SLI Deluxe-UAY].
Extreme performance. Ideal for latest games, and the most graphics demanding multimedia utilities.
$203.74

Memory(RAM) : Hynix RAM - 1 GB DDR 400MHz PC3200 x16, Fast, quality, and excellent performance.
Ideal for major current desktop systems.
$135.13

Extra Memory(RAM) : Hynix RAM - 1 GB DDR 400MHz PC3200 x16, Fast, quality, and excellent performance.
Ideal for major current desktop systems.
$135.13

Hard Drive : Western Digital Hard Drive - 250GB, Serial ATA 2, 16MB Cache, 7200rpm [WD2500KS]
$150.09

Optical Drive : SamSung DVD-ROM, 16x With Software, Black [SH-D162C/BEBP].
Reads multiple DVD formats, high speed technology, and vibration absorption technology.
$29.99

Graphic Card : Sapphire Graphics Card - Radeon X800GT 256MB V/D/VO, PCI-Express.
Next-generation graphic solutions, high speed, and high-definition clarity.
Ideal for hottest games and graphics applications.
$220.27

Casing : MEC Case - EX919BS - Midi Tower, Black & Silver 450W
$55.77

PC Assembly and Test: PC assembled by Austin Computers
$50.00

Total Price $1,299.99


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Response Number 1
Name: JoseBillBR
Date: April 19, 2006 at 22:21:06 Pacific
Reply:

Looks fine to me
of course there are improvements you can make(it is all a problem of budget)

personally i have the Sapphire X800GTO2, its about the time same price and it can be tweaked to reach performance levels of x850xt pe


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Response Number 2
Name: Stabgotham
Date: April 19, 2006 at 22:27:33 Pacific
Reply:

I have 2 comments and a question.

Comments:
1 - Forget the DVD-ROM, for an additional $10 you can get yourself a DVD-Burner.

2 - I myself own the A8N-SLI Deluxe and I love it. It's louder than all get out, but it works and it's reasonably easy to overclock. I think you'll find that the DFI Lanparty is better board though.

Question:

ATI video card on a motherboard dedicated to nVidia's SLI technology? Am I drunk and seeing things here? Aren't these technologies incompatible?

Lian-Li PC61
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon 3700+ San Diego @ 2.5 gHz stock cooling
eVGA 7800GT
1GB Corsair DDR
WD Carviar 300gb SATA 3.0gb/s
Samsung 17" 740N Monitor
Dr. Pepper


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Response Number 3
Name: JoseBillBR
Date: April 19, 2006 at 22:43:44 Pacific
Reply:

He wont be able to use SLI, but he will be able to use an ati card with no problems


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Response Number 4
Name: Stabgotham
Date: April 19, 2006 at 22:54:26 Pacific
Reply:

But it still begs the question....why? Why not get the A8R-MVP or A8R32-MVP so if he decides to utilize ATI's crossfire technology in the future, he'll be able to.

Lian-Li PC61
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe
AMD Athlon 3700+ San Diego @ 2.5 gHz stock cooling
eVGA 7800GT
1GB Corsair DDR
WD Carviar 300gb SATA 3.0gb/s
Samsung 17" 740N Monitor
Dr. Pepper


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Response Number 5
Name: JoseBillBR
Date: April 19, 2006 at 22:57:36 Pacific
Reply:

Cant disagree with you on that


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Response Number 6
Name: Sabertooth
Date: April 19, 2006 at 23:05:30 Pacific
Reply:

Overall the X800GT is faster than its 6600GT contemporary but at $220.27 (AUD) which is about $165.00 (USD), the least card you should be looking at is the 7600GT.

Secondly, those Austin guys do have Antec TPII-480, get something like that instead of the underpowered PSU that is most likely stock on the MEC case.

The memory (RAM) is pricy @ roughly $100.00 (USD) a piece, the optical drive should be substituted for a DVD burner..........yaawwnn


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Response Number 7
Name: tordenskjold
Date: April 19, 2006 at 23:21:01 Pacific
Reply:

tanks guys. liek i rellay need teh help.. so i should change motherboard? or graphics card? i only have 1300 dollars :s

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Response Number 8
Name: heroedge
Date: April 20, 2006 at 01:44:15 Pacific
Reply:

Aaagghh! When I first read this I could not believe my eyes. An SLI board with ATI???? So I calmed down and came back later to see Saber's reply. Whew.....Breath, breath. :)

Yes you need to reconfigure! With this setup above, the 7600GT would be an excellant choice for about the same money as the X800GT. And you get 12 pixelpipelines instead of 8. Much better choice. And later if your heart desires you can add another one for SLI.

Thats a good motherboard but I would go with the DFI nforce4 SLI X16 and save some bucks. But thats problably not an option?

As mentioned get a better PSU. One that is SLI ready.

Corsair Value RAM will suffice and save you some bucks.

So you can stay in your budget and get a much better system.

Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI
AMD Athlon 64 FX-55
Corsair 512X4 2048mb
2X WD Raptor 74gb 10K
RAID 0
250gb WD Caviar
2X 256 6800 GT
WinXP Pro X64


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Response Number 9
Name: jhunt303
Date: April 20, 2006 at 02:28:50 Pacific
Reply:

Personally I don't like WD hard disks, too slow, always used Samsung or SeaGate. Also,
1Gb RAM + 7900 GT will be much faster than 2Gb RAM + X800GT. The Gigabyte GA-K8s are also good motherboards.

p.s. don't forget you need a floppy drive to install a SATA hard disk!


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Response Number 10
Name: heroedge
Date: April 20, 2006 at 05:53:02 Pacific
Reply:

"Personally I don't like WD hard disks, too slow, always used Samsung or SeaGate"

Hmmmmm. Not sure I agree. Samsung and Seagates are darn good drives but are they faster? It depends on what your benchmark is. I find that apples and apples the WD can hold their own.

And if you're not comparing apples to apples then in most cases the Raptors are faster.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html

Guess its just a personal preference.


Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI
AMD Athlon 64 FX-55
Corsair 512X4 2048mb
2X WD Raptor 74gb 10K
2X 256 6800 GT
Raid-0
WinXP Pro X64


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Response Number 11
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 20, 2006 at 15:15:58 Pacific
Reply:

"2 - I myself own the A8N-SLI Deluxe and I love it. It's louder than all get out, but it works and it's reasonably easy to overclock. I think you'll find that the DFI Lanparty is better board though."

Get the "Premium" versino instead of the "Deluxe". The premium version uses a heat pipe on the northbridge chip instead of a fan. No noise.

"p.s. don't forget you need a floppy drive to install a SATA hard disk!"

No, you don't. That is only true if you use the non-native SATA ports on the mohterboard. With NForce 4 (and 3 I think) there are 4 native SATA controllers on the board. You do not need to install F6 drivers when installing Windows.

I also agree that you should pay a few bucks more and get a DVD burner. Also, you may want to consider getting another power supply. The PSUs that come with those cheap cases are also cheap and could cause you problems.

Michael J


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Response Number 12
Name: tordenskjold
Date: April 20, 2006 at 23:55:03 Pacific
Reply:

hey thanks alot guys. May i ask (since a am a total beginner into building computers) i think i know what ATI and SLI is. But may i ask for your definistions, as i am quite unsure. :S

thanks

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Response Number 13
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: April 21, 2006 at 09:55:06 Pacific
Reply:

The two major companies in the Video Card industry are ATI and nVidia. Video cards with their chipsets are manufactured by many different companies. Basically any GeForce card is an nVidia chipset. Raedeon cards are ATI chipsets. Like AMD vs. intel many people prefer one over the other. Each ahs it's strong suits and shortcommings.

SLI (nVidia) and Crossfire (ATI) are technologies created by the above two companies that allow you to run two video cards in tandem to increase performance. You can only pair two nVidia cards on an SLI motherboard OR two ATI cards on a Crossfire motherboard. And then there are motherboards that do not support either - in which case you can't run two cards in tandem (some do allow two cards, but only for dual monitors).

Michael J


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Response Number 14
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 21, 2006 at 22:00:00 Pacific
Reply:

"Also, 1Gb RAM + 7900 GT will be much faster than 2Gb RAM + X800GT."

That is a good point.

But do get a floppy for maintenance reasons. They come in handy for possible firmware upgrades, ASR disks, other boot disks, etc.

For a fast drive, also consider Hitachi. I would choose Seagate and Hitachi over WD for reliability reasons.

"Milk was a bad choice!"


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Response Number 15
Name: Dragon306
Date: April 24, 2006 at 08:14:06 Pacific
Reply:

i think make it 2gb of RAM and an Nvidio hgraphcis card so later you can add a second for SLi. otherwise, no point in buying an SLi board. a 10,000rpm hard drive may also be in order.

HP Vectra VL400
1.0ghz Pentium 3
512mb PC133 SDRAM
120gb 7200rpm 8mb cache WD1200JB hard drive
ATI Radeon 9200 128mb AGP video card


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Response Number 16
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 24, 2006 at 13:28:04 Pacific
Reply:

Forget the 10,000 RPM drive. Get two 7200's instead, and make the second one the drive for your games. That will do you more good than a single 10,000RPM drive.

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Response Number 17
Name: Dragon306
Date: April 24, 2006 at 16:30:45 Pacific
Reply:

i meant a 10k drive for OS and games plus another 7,200rpm drive for other files and junk

HP Vectra VL400
1.0ghz Pentium 3
512mb PC133 SDRAM
120gb 7200rpm 8mb cache WD1200JB hard drive
ATI Radeon 9200 128mb AGP video card


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Response Number 18
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 24, 2006 at 16:36:34 Pacific
Reply:

IMO, they're not worth the money for gaming applications.

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Response Number 19
Name: heroedge
Date: April 24, 2006 at 17:51:21 Pacific
Reply:

I have two computers. The one I am currently playing on just has a WD 250gb Corsair 7200 RPM. It is, as many say, sufficient for gaming. However, I can tell you I can't wait to return to my other computer. Everything loads so much faster, including windows, maps, games, and other applications. Eventaully, I may purchase a faster drive for the slower one. IMO its however you want your system to perform. If HDD read/write speed is not so important to you then its a complete waste of money. Because during actual game play, you won't see a difference. If you want to learn more to see if its worth it, check out this link and judge for yourself.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html

Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI
AMD Athlon 64 FX-55
Corsair 512X4 2048mb
2X WD Raptor 74gb 10K
RAID 0
250gb WD Caviar
2X 256 6800 GT
WinXP Pro X64


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Response Number 20
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 24, 2006 at 21:44:58 Pacific
Reply:

Theoretical performance is great and all, but if you know how to properly tune your drives for performance, and buy multiple drives, it's not significant.

The reality is you can buy 2x 250 gig 7200RPM SATA drives for the price of one 150GB WD 150GB 10,000RPM drive, and still pocket about $80, which is fairly close to going from 1GB to 2GB of RAM, which would cause less paging to the hard drives, and improve disk performance. In fact, I could buy almost 3 250 gig drives for the price of 1 150GB 10,000RPM drives. That would allow me to put OS on one spindle, the bulk of the page file on the second, and games on the third. In the end, I would have 750GB's of storage compared to a measily 150GB's of storage, and due to the additional spindles, would be performing probably about the same as a single 150GB 10K RPM drive. That's what the benchmarks leave out!

As a network engineer with significant experience when it comes to storage performance, I appreciate high speed drives for the right application. If I'm running a busy database app, I want fast drives. I love 15K RPM SCSI drives for Exchange or SQL. But 10K RPM drives at the prices they are for gaming? It's a waste just as a 7900GTX SLI config is. Spend your money if you want to, but I'm pocketing mine for my next upgrade.

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