ah yes, sorry jam, forgot about him. yes we forum-ed some in my first forum post ever where i got everyone po'ed (hey i was a noob to forums, what do u expect) ~matt Abit KV7-V AMD athlon 2800+ Barton 512 pc3200 80gb SATA ATI Radeon 9250 _____ [=[_]=] ______ [+[_]+] > {+[__]+}

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Thanks heropsycho. We do see eye to eye on a number of things though & I appreciate it when you back me up. And you are 100% correct, I do favor cards in the $100 or less range. I'm a very casual gamer. My daughter gave me DOOM3 for xmas & it probably took me a month to get thru it...I just pecked away, 30 min here, 60 min there. I doubt I'll play it again though. But I used to play Unreal Tournament all the time & Quake 3 Arena too, but those games are much easier to jump into & go. Since I'm talking about games...I never bothered to finish Half-Life or Quake 2, I got bored with both. I enjoyed Unreal - the Awakening though. Hey, maybe I am a gamer...lol. Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7 Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB WinME/WinXP Pro

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While I'm in the mood, I'll rattle off a few more of the oldies but goodies... DOOM Shadow Warrior Heretic Hexen Duke Nukem Blood I obviously favor 1st person shooters...lol Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7 Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB WinME/WinXP Pro

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u got all those older games?

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yes, I do...you want copies? ;) lol Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz 768MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7 Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB WinME/WinXP Pro

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Jam - Try Call of Duty and its expansion. They're kind of short, but they're really good single player experiences. They struck the perfect balance between realistic enough to be very immersive, but easy enough to be able for anyone to start playing immediately. They'd also run exceptionally well on your 9550, too. :-) "We do see eye to eye on a number of things though & I appreciate it when you back me up." Right back at you! "Republicans in Congress are moving to ratify a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning, thus ending the Iraq insurgency."

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Yea, I play call of duty united offensive on my 9250 with all the settings turned up and it plays great (40fps) ~matt Abit KV7-V AMD athlon 2800+ Barton 512 pc3200 80gb SATA ATI Radeon 9250 _____ [=[_]=] ______ [+[_]+] > {+[__]+}

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Ill just throw in my 2 cents as this discussion seems to be popping ap a bit lately. Sure performance vs price is a good way to look at things and for every PC i buy/build ithat is the main consideration, but by that logic, we would all still be watching 20cm black and white TV's and riding around on Vespa's. Some people just want more. If you think you get the same gaming experience on a <$500 pc as you would get on a beast gaming machine $3000 + i think your mistaken. My rig was fairly expensive and so was the setup i have for my home theatre but that's because i don't just want the game i want the experience. The one thing that bothers me is games like Battlefield 2 and such, that need high end equipment but don't deliver. BF2 looks crap no matter what PC you run it on and i find that to be a waste when you can get a game like Half-Life 2 that is so much better and not nearly as intensive on a machine. ramble ramble ramble mumble mumble ,..... What where was I? What topic i didn't see any topic,..... AMD Athlon64 3500+ 1024MB 512x2 Dual Channel Corsair TwinX Coolermaster Wavemaster 120GB Seagate SATA HDD Gecube X800XT Platinum Logitch 5.1 Surround LG 16x Dual Layer DVD Countle

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And just before anyone jumps on me =D When i have someone over for a game i actually run NFSU2 on a PIII 700 with a PCI Geforce 4 MX440. It's like its made of lego but it still runs =P AMD Athlon64 3500+ 1024MB 512x2 Dual Channel Corsair TwinX Coolermaster Wavemaster 120GB Seagate SATA HDD Gecube X800XT Platinum Logitch 5.1 Surround LG 16x Dual Layer DVD Countle

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"...by that logic, we would all still be watching 20cm black and white TV's and riding around on Vespa's. Some people just want more. If you think you get the same gaming experience on a <$500 pc as you would get on a beast gaming machine $3000 + i think your mistaken." If you're loaded with money, by all means. However, most people aren't, yet they feel like they must spend $400 on a gfx card. Price/performance means getting the best experience for the money you can. I want to run my games at a decent resolution and good image quality. That helps the experience of the game. But does it really help the experience to go from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 res? Not much. What about 4x anti-aliasing vs 8x? Again, not really. Also, you shouldn't let a lack of high performing hardware prevent you from enjoying a game. The whole point of games is to enjoy them. However, I do understand what you're saying, it's precisely the point I make when making the case for a $150 card vs. Jam's sub $100 cards. On the topic of home theaters, I am a self-admitted elitist, so don't discuss that with me, or I'll end up enraging you when I inevitably call your equipment crap. LOL... "Pat Buchanan, Bob Novak, and G. Gordon Liddy don't like Mark Felt. Mark Felt is truly a great man."

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HAhahahaha, you guys are funny..... all i have to say is i spent 700 bucks on a BFG6800GT OC GDDR3 blah blah blah, but thats what they first came out about 6 or 7 months ago, (maybe more) and now look at the price LOL. Its alllll in prefrences, if you like to spend money, even if you dont have it(like me) your going to. If you get the sickness(which i have) then your going to want the most expensive/best thing out. I build comps for a living, and youd be surprised how easy it is to talk someone into buying a badayse video card. All i had to do was show them Half-life2 on my sys, and i sold 3 or 4 more just like mine, and i spent over 3 grand on my sys, and im not even satisfied... let me put it to you like this... everyones got the sickness for somthing, wheather it be your cars or trucks, or model airplanes, or even stamps, but you have to spend money. Even if you dont have lots of it... isnt everything good worth the wait? i say spend the extra 400 bucks, and even if somthing better comes out, if your that much of a gamer(like myself) then youll have the new stuff when it comes out. Check out the SLI performence from BFG... thats in my next comp coming up. Oh yah and one more thing.... ALWAYS buy BFG, even if you hate nvidia, BUY BFG. Its the ONLY, and i prolly sure the ONLY lifetime warrenty manufacturer, and when over clocking and water cooling, ive had to rplace mine for free twice, and they have NO problems with that.

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Aaron, your 100% correct, everyone has the sickness for something, take myself for example, ive never bought a car that lasted me more then 6 months because i don't see the point in expensive cars, they do a job and thats it. But my brother on the other hand is all about high performance cars and spends big bucks on it. The point that i want to make is that .... well i don't know what the point is really =D But ill never get sick of buying new toys and the bigger, badder and better they are the better it will be.

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"...i spent over 3 grand on my sys, and im not even satisfied..." $3,000 wow!!! is your sys made of gold!? lol i cant see how you could spend more than 1500-2000 bux on the machine alone (excluding monitor, speakers etc.)to ultra-max out EVERYTHING. so i wonder if im missing a component here, 3.5 GHz P4, top of the line Asus mobo., 400GB western digital HDD, DVD RW, 2 gigs of Corsair DDR400 RAM and last but not least the grand daddy of all video cards the Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition (i found it for under $430) and thats if you put everything in a fantastic looking case (most under $150)you got your self a MONSTER! if you calculate all of that you'll come up short of $2,000 USD and thats by online stores (brand new msrp)so you must have the biggest, most wonderful $1,000 monitor in North America lol.

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Actually....make that a Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition for under $400 lol ;)

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