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Name: Skatan2323
Date: May 9, 2006 at 20:33:47 Pacific
Subject: Question regarding Upgrade
OS: Win XP
CPU/Ram: 1.6/1gb
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Well I want to change my processor and motherboard to 939. So I was thinking of getting a AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego and ...well I dont know what board to go for. If anyone can direct me to a board. Could you possibly give me a cheap choice as well as a recommended choice. Btw I want to play games such as BFME2 and most recent games . Thank you for your time.

Full Specs:
AMD Sempron 2800+
1GB Corsair Ram
6800GS PCIE Video Card


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Response Number 1
Name: skyfear
Date: May 9, 2006 at 20:47:11 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Cheap choice: MSI K8N Neo4

Recommended choice: DFI LANPARTY UT CFX3200-DR (or any other NF4-based DFI board)

More importantly, going from such old hardware you might need to upgrade your PSU.


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Response Number 2
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 9, 2006 at 22:13:54 Pacific
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Also consider the Opteron 165 processor. Dual core with 1M cache per core, and a monster overclocker for only $100 more than the 3700. Dual core doesn't help for many games now, but it certainly will in the future. It's a tough choice between those two processors.

"Milk was a bad choice!"


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Response Number 3
Name: Skatan2323
Date: May 10, 2006 at 20:57:50 Pacific
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Well for the psu unit, I have a 500watt Antec. You think I would need to upgrade that? Any other specific motherboard?
That is a great price for a dual core, I thought the cheapest was like around 500 at least. Thanks so far :D


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Response Number 4
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 11, 2006 at 05:19:50 Pacific
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You can get a dual core for $300 (X2 3800), but you need to understand something before you buy dual core.

For most games right now, dual core is useless. The dual core you select will perform as well as whatever the single core equivalent is for one of the cores on the dual core. This is because games by enlarge are not optimized for dual core.

Case in point, the X2 3800 is 2x 1.8GHz cores with 512K L2 cache each. That means for most games, the dual core will perform as well as an Athlon 64 3000 (1.8GHz with 512K cache).

The reason I recommend an Opteron 165 is it is only $30 more than the X2 3800, has 1M cache per core (puts it closer to the Athlon 3700 in performance for things that are not optimized for dual core), and it overclocks very well. Most can overclock it to 2x 2.5GHz cores, which couple with the cache would allow this CPU to outperform the Athlon 64 3700 unless you overclock the 3700.

Once games are effectively optimized for dual core, the Opteron 165 will destroy the Athlon 64 3700 in performance. However, you must realize for now it is $100 more and will not give you much performance advantage over the 3700 in games.

For your PSU, make sure it has the right connector for the motherboard (20 vs 24 pin). You can always get an adapter. 500W is ample for the system it sounds like you are gonna build.

One last point that should be said - your video card will make more of a difference than which CPU you decide to use for gaming performance.

If you have an Sempron in socket 754, to be honest, I would consider waiting. Sure it is not the best CPU, but I suspect you will find the upgrade a bit disappointing performance wise.

I did check CPU prices for socket 754 for a good upgrade to something with 1M cache, and you definitely shouldn't go that route. $330 was the price for the S754 3700, which makes that CPU a silly upgrade for the money. (S939 mobo is $100, and the 3700 S939 is $230, duuuuuuuuh!)

"Milk was a bad choice!"


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Response Number 5
Name: Skatan2323
Date: May 11, 2006 at 12:51:59 Pacific
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thanks for the explaination. I think i may go the dual core way.


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Response Number 6
Name: Skatan2323
Date: May 11, 2006 at 14:30:15 Pacific
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I just need a motherboard to go with it. Since ill be getting the Opteron 165 I would like to overclock so I would like to have a motherboard that is easy to do so. Havent oced b4 so could anyone put me to like some guide :P


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Response Number 7
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 11, 2006 at 15:54:55 Pacific
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Get the DFI NF4 Ultra-D LANParty motherboard! Best overclocking board out there.

"Milk was a bad choice!"


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