future proofing describes the elusive process of trying to anticipate future developments, so that action can be taken to minimise possible negative consequences... So... good luck with that Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!'... till you can find a rock

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True, But I have been called names here for having a p4 northwood cpu alrady. It has been called crappy and slow and what not. So I guess you guys will will find fault if use old hardware and you guys will find fault if I try to make wise upgrade choices. Sarosh

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Samrock: But remember, as far as I know, DX10 will be exclusively for Microsft Vista. That means not just a new Motherboard for U! But a Major upgrade to handle the OS minimal requirements! I actually Ran the Vista RC1 on my computer, and it ran just fine. I had some sound problems, but that was fixed by uninstalling and reinstalling the application. I am using RC1 right now as I post here. I do not need to buy any new hardware to run vista. Also, I do not need to buy any new hardware at all. I am just trying to gather information about when will we find motherboards with onboard dx10 cards. My current onboard card is prosavage s3, and I thik this is a dx8 card, and is absolutely miserable with photoshop. When I buy a new motherboard, I would settle for a mb without any pcie slot but with a good onboard graphics chip that will minimum handle photoshop, and secondly give me atleast some feel of some new games for my occassional recreation. Sarosh

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"My current onboard card is prosavage s3, and I thik this is a dx8 card, and is absolutely miserable with photoshop." Miserable in what respect? Your performance in Photoshop is not dependant upon the video card - you need to look at CPU, Memory & hard drive. If it is image quality that is the problem, then your display is most likely the cuplrit. Michael J

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Hi, The photoshop website says 320MB of RAM (384MB recommended) In my experience, I would describe using photoshop with 512MB as "miserable". What I mean is that it is extremely inconvienient, and after you open more than 2 big files, it begins to get very annoying where every operation starts spinning up the HD. Those website requirements are very misleading. When I ran photoshop cs2 on my onboard graphcis, it was very slow. My work involves lot of moving of objects. It is not very creative stuff, just regular photoshop stuff, but I got to use many files (jpeg, gif, etc), I got to place files over files and match their locations. Some of the tiff files are 25mb big, and some photoshop files contian more than 2 such files. When I try to move about these big files on the screen, it is just two slow. The whole layer will dissapear and then redraw itself. The same happens with text boxes. When I move the text boxes around, they dissapear from the screen and then reappear after a second or so. I dont want to buy a new mb in the future to find that this new mb is stil not running photoshop smoothly. My current onboard adapter is dx8, and the last drivers were released sometime in 2003. I think photoshop cs2 is newer than that, and newer than xp service pack 2 (which contains drivers for prosavage s3). Sarosh

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Photoshop is not a DirectX application. I don't know how to put it more simply than that. Michael J

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Doesnt moving jepg files around the screen require some input from the graphics card, or is it totally dependent on the cpu speed? Sarosh

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With respect to Windows XP, when you are working within the windows desktop environment, then it is all a 2 dimensional display. DirectX is utilized in 3D applications. Your system specs look fine for Photoshop. If you are having issues I would suggest defragging the hard drive and making sure there is adequate free space. Also, you might want to check your page file settings. you would also benefit from more RAM. Any photo conversions/processing are dependant upon the CPU. Some of these processes are VERY complex and will take time to complete. Especially when you are dealing with large files, layering and transparency. A new video card will not change that. Yes, your video card is what provides the display, but when dealing with 2D displays they are not really being utilized. Michael J

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Hi, Photoshop runs fine on my current system, 1GB ram is just about ok. The only problem I had was when my 6600GT unexpectededly failed. I had to use photoshop on the onboard grapics. I would be very happy to do it, but I found it almost unworkable. It was not the HD or defragmenting, it was the lack of the 6600GT that brought photoshop down to a crawl. Maybe my s3 is just too old and outdated. I tried for two days, but when I could not bear it any more I purchased a fx5200 and photoshop was again working at full speed. That led me to beleive that photoshop will need a vedio card with on board memory. Maybe someone should carry out this test: Trying moving a jpeg file around your desktop by dragging it around. Or try moving the winamp visualization around on your desktop. Now do this with the onboard graphics and do this with a vedio card, and I think the difference is obvious. I noticed the very same difference. To sum up, are you guys saying that no matter what motherboard I buy in the future, or no matter what onboard graphics it has, you guys are sure it will run photoshop just as smoothly as I am running it now on my vedio card, right? Thanks again. Sarosh. Sarosh

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Yes, I have an onboard graphics (ATI Radeon 300x). I played almost all recent Games (except Riddick/Ghost Recon/Hitman Blood Money). And I not only use Photoshop,but also 3D Max Studio, Winamp and many apps, all together. I never found any problem. Only rendering Hi-res images in 3D takes sometime. But that never hangs my system. I still play songs while working on all these Graphic Stuff! So don't worry abt Onboard or "Off Board" cards! :) Whatever u get will run Photoshop smoothly! Samuel Roshan

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Thanks, I am glad you gave me a real life experience. Thats what I wanted to know. Id settle for a motherboard with onboard graphics anyday rather than an expensive mb with onboard graphcis+pcie slot and then have to buy a graphics card to run photoshop. Thanks for all the input. Sarosh. Sarosh

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U should invest in a good motherboard with both Onboard Grafix and PCI-E Slot. This will help u in future Upgrades. My MOBO has both!! Just waiting for the DX10 Cards to get into market! Samuel Roshan

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Thanks dude, At first I too thought the same. But then I read some articles about how the next generation of gpus are going to require even more power, so I think my 500W psu may not be enough. Then I also read about games like crysis and Alan Wake, which will require quad core cpus to run properly. So I think in the future the race for better gaming hardware is only going to get tougher, and it is going to get more expensive to buy decent gaming hardware. So I thought it would be better for me to forget about trying to get the best from gaming, and focusing on what is more important for me, ie photoshop. I am not a gamer anyway, and have played most of the best dx9 games anyway, and am actually pretty bored of gaming right now. I am not enjoying the games any more, and they are serving as more of a distraction than fun. So I thought I better buy a mb with no pcie slot, so that I wont be tempted to buy a vedio card in the future. Also, I am quite confused about pci-e 8x and 16x and I dont know which card will work in which motherboard, and then I read the news about pcie2 being released soon. Its like a never ending race, and I want to get out of it. Sarosh

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