Exactly The "LE" edtion it the light edtion which is horrible. Other video cards in that price range (100$) can easlily out perform it like the 9600Pro. Im not saying Nvidia is horrible just that particular model. I am completely unbias I have a 6800 in one system and a 9800 pro in another. BUtta My Fries Abit NF7-s Athlon XP-M 2600+ @2.5ghz 200x12.5 1024mb PC3200 Geforce 6800

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so ATI Radeon 9600 is better than FX 5700 and for the same price? If so im buying it right now PS= is that price for internet shopping only or can i find that price in a local store?

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What about a 5700 Ultra??? I have an EVGA 5700 Ultra DDRII and it plays Half Life 2 great on HIGH details. I know i dont have the greatest system, so it goes well with mine. I paid $185 for mine about 1yr ago. I dunno what system you have, but you do need a 350+watt PSU for one of these and a spacious case. Here's a good one.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40161&item=5164998886&rd=1 AMD Athlon XP 2600+ @ 2.13GHz 768MB DDR eVGA GeForce FX 5700 Ultra DDR2 Thermaltake Silent PurePower 420W

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Ok Mechruler, just try rephrasing next time. Could you please tell me exactly where you found out that LE means Lite Edition? I want to see for myself. Not that I don't believe you or anything.

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I don't know if you'll find a site that contains the "lettering convention" being using for today's graphics cards. If you do, post it & I'll bookmark it, because this question comes up from time to time. I think the manufacturer's add the VE, LE, SE, XT, MX to the cards to deliberately confuse people. Generally speaking, all of the "tag letters" I just wrote mean lower performance. The exception is XT, which means high performance to ATI, but low performance to nVidia. I can point you to sites where LE is called "Lite Edition", but they're hardware review sites which might not be credible enough for you. Regardless of what it means, if you compare an LE version against a "plain vanilla" version of the same card, you'll find the chip/memory specs are lower. If you prefer "Limited Edition" over "Lite Edition", that's your perogative, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a "Low performance Edition". Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8 x 210MHz 512MB PC3200 Asus Ti4200 128MB WinME/WinXP Pro

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Mitch - Didn't you ask me to drop this? *rolling eyes* I don't understand why you bothered emailing me twice about stopping the arguments, and then you post this... "Watch your language Mechruler- Heropsycho might get on you for being bias. But he's an ATI fan also." I'm a fan of any technology that performs well, is stable, and economically competes well. That means I like both ATI and Nvidia because both offer stable, affordable solutions that perform well. However, this is not across the board for BOTH companies. The 5700LE is not a good card because, as Mechruler pointed out, the 9600Pro performs better for the same money. I'd say the same thing about most of the SE products ATI offers, too. I call them "Sucky Editions" just as many here call the Nvidia LE's "Lower performing Editions". Proof is in the specs as others pointed out. Mitch, with all due respect, Mechruler doesn't need to rephrase ANYTHING in his post. He clearly said that the "geforce 5700LE is horrible" which IS TRUE comparatively speaking to other similarly priced cards from BOTH camps - Nvidia and ATI. In no way did that imply ALL Nvidia products suck! Read what is said, and stop blaming others when you misconstrue what they clearly express. It's not their fault! When all the land is in ruin, and burnination has forsaken the countryside, only one guy will remain. My money is on.... TROOOOOOGDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR!

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Psycho, I didn't mean it with any negative or offensive demenor at all. I just wanted to keep you from going off on someone else like you did me. Arguing in such a manner wastes time. And besides-you got on me for saying things like ATI is horrible-I thought you'd punish him for saying things with similar language against nVidia products. I'm sorry- no offense. I just ask people not to use such harsh language when-I creates confrontation. I just don't understand why you didn't react the same way. And you hate it when people say "this is best" instead of "this is better", right? At least when I say it like that. And I was kind of joking...sorry. All that aside: I beleive Denys is probably right about mixing ATI video cards with nVidia chipsets (& vice versa) isn't the best idea, because they may have problems getting along. It just makes sense to keep with either all ATI or all nVidia configs. Keep in mind that I'm not saying ATI is always bad or nVidia is always best: they both have their own problems, depending on exactly what ATI or nVidia component(s) you are using. Another thing I'd REALLY like to know: Jam is it true that the MX, SE, LE, etc. is just there to confuse us? That would suck, majorly! So my GeForce2 MX400 and FX 5700LE are just hoaxes(just as good as the ones without the MX and LE)? I wanna know this stuff so I can decide whether or not to chuck my 5700LE. It isn't as fast as I expected, but that could be because my AGP drivers aren't updated, and fast write isn't on. I'd still like to know what LE really stands for, it does make a difference and matters to me.

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"I just wanted to keep you from going off on someone else like you did me. Arguing in such a manner wastes time." Pointing out how misleading your comments were wasn't a waste of time if people realized you weren't telling the truth. I never called you a name, or anything like that. "And you hate it when people say "this is best" instead of "this is better", right?" Nothing wrong with saying this or that product is best or better given the goals of the solution if you can prove it. Saying some product causes crashing, etc. when it absolutely positively doesn't? Yes, I got a problem with that. Case in point... "I beleive Denys is probably right about mixing ATI video cards with nVidia chipsets (& vice versa) isn't the best idea, because they may have problems getting along." This is actually aimed at Denny; at least you didn't claim it as fact... Kinda like how my ATI 9800 XT runs perfectly fine with my Nforce2 motherboard, as is the case in MANY MANY other computers? This is the problem. People throw this speculation out with absolutely no proof to back this up. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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"Jam is it true that the MX, SE, LE, etc. is just there to confuse us? That would suck, majorly! So my GeForce2 MX400 and FX 5700LE are just hoaxes(just as good as the ones without the MX and LE)?" Maybe "confuse" wasn't the correct word to use, but then again, it seems like these letter designations have YOU confused...LOL!. The letters are put there for a reason, & that reason is to set that model apart from the original "plain vanilla" version of the same card. Unfortunately, the "uninformed" don't pay any attention to the "tag letters" & just look at the model number. They see an FX5700LE for less than $100, they ignore the "LE" & think, "WOOHOO, an FX5700 for $75 - what a bargain!" The MX, SE, LE, etc are always lower performing versions than the original. For example, look at the specs for your FX5700LE as compared to the original FX5700. The FX5700LE runs at 250/400MHz. The "plain vanilla" FX5700 runs at 425/550MHz. Below is a quote from Tom's Hardware & a link to a couple of tables of many popular graphics cards. Compare the clock/memory speeds of the LE, SE, etc & you'll see what I mean. "Various in-between models, such as the Radeon 9550 and the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 and 5700 LE, are geared for OEMs and are not included here. Each card maker equips these models with the most disparate clock rates, memory bus width and modules. If you are interested in these cards, you should definitely take a careful look at the cards' specs before making a purchase, so that you don't end up with a cheap version that only has a slow 64-bit memory interface and very low clockrates." http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-02.html http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/index.html Asus A7N8X-X 1800+ @ 8 x 210MHz 512MB PC3200 Asus Ti4200 128MB WinME/WinXP Pro

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Sure, Psycho, but I was feeling harassed and some of those comments you said about me earlier really hurt. Made me feel like a dumbass. For Jam: I had a feeling I was screwed over! Damnit! *sigh* thanks for the info.

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Mitch - The idea was to get you to stop making such comments. Unfortunately, that involved making you feel a bit stupid. ;-) I promise to you that if you don't make misleading comments, I won't attack your comments. Simple as that. As for the LE stuff, it just goes to show there's no replacement for doing your homework. Know EXACTLY what you're buying. This is also why I emphasized so heavily how stable and well ATI cards perform -- it opens up the door for a lot of other cards to choose from. Doesn't mean you have to choose one, but in this case, you might have been better served with an ATI card offering in that price range. The bottom line is the more alternatives there are, the better off we all are. We all want the best performing and most stable card available! So let's persue that honestly instead of playing the brand name game. ;-) "...but in my defense, it was dark, I was drunk, and it was delicious!"

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Yeah, I did my homework. Maybe not enough however, the reason I bought the eVGA GeForce FX 5700le 256MB DDR AGP8x was because it was the highest FX number that I could afford. Well, more along the lines of wanting to be approx. in the middle of the low (5200) and high (5900) performance FX cards because I'm not a "power user". That is, sparing no expense to get the latest and greatest. But I'm not a casual gamer either. I don't upgrade often, so I get parts I know will be able to run newer games well for at least the next 2-3 years. Also a card able to run HalfLife2 and Doom3. However,(don't laugh) a long time ago, the main reason I upgraded was so I could run the Sims2. But that was before I knew HalfLife2 was coming also. Here's the honest to goodness truth about me and my so called "obsession" with nVidia: I have had such a great experience with the GeForce, that I didn't want to take the risk of changing over to ATI, mostly because so much money (and time) was on the line. I was afraid of change and the prospect of basically starting off from scratch and just feeling my way through the dark. I mean, if something works well enough for you, why switch to something different and foreign? I hope you can understand that. Anyways, back to the FX 5700. Eh, I'm looking at 2 different websites with the same GPU, only different manufactures and ram sizes: XFX 128MB: http://hardware.gamespot.com/XFX-GeForce-FX-5700LE-128MB-97-O-9-9 Chaintech 256MB: http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/details.asp?PRDCODE=VCCH-SA5700L256&REFID=PW Oh, what's this? The Chaintech's RAM clock speed is twice the speed of the XFX's(200 & 400). Psycho, were you right about less RAM being faster? Or is this a special case? I wonder... How 'bout that 250Mhz chipset clock speed, is that fast enough for a vid card? Do you think it's too slow for HL2? I don't have the game yet, but I wanna be sure I can play it. Whoa! I'm looking at another Chaintech FX 5700 on the same website. It's not an LE and it's faster! This pierces my heart, boo hoo :-( http://www.futurepowerpc.com/scripts/details.asp?PRDCODE=VCCH-SA5700256 Do you think Chaintech is better than eVGA pertaining to graphics? I have a Chaintech mobo. I'm curious... One last thing. It looks like my old GeForce2MX400 64MB is faster, as in clock and RAM speed. Here's a website(Tigerdirect) with it, only mine is an XFX(I couldn't find the exact one, I don't think they sell it anymore). http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=84761&Tab=2&NoMapp=0

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The honest truth is I don't even look at the 5700 because I know all variants of it don't compare well to comparable ATI cards. Same as how I don't even look at X700's from ATI because the 6600GT is a superior card. "...but in my defense, it was dark, I was drunk, and it was delicious!"

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