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Name: rbs70
Date: February 18, 2005 at 10:31:02 Pacific
OS: windows Xp home
CPU/Ram: P4 1.5 256
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Hi all
I'm building a gaming computer and this is what I have so far
P4 3.2ghz 1mg L2 cash with 800fsb
1gig PC3200 400mhz DDR Ram
Sound Blaster Autagy 2 ZS Gamer
120 gig maxtor 7200rpm Harddrive
Gforce fx 5200 256mg video card
case with 400w power supply
Win Xp Pro
Now I need to choose a motherboard and I need some help. I need one that fits the stuff listed but has room to upgrade. I was looking for 4gig ram max and on board lan I dont really like MSI. Anyone have any ideas on what I should get? What has worked for you guys?
Brian



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Response Number 1
Name: Galileo
Date: February 18, 2005 at 12:24:10 Pacific
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If I had an opportunity to build my system all over again, you know what I'd wish i had spent a little bit more money on? A better Vid-Card, and mobo! First thing first for games, so a Fx 5200 256 is not gonna cut it, there is no game that reguires 256 megs of vid-ram, with the exception of Doom 3. 256mb only comes into play when your running at super high resolutions, that being said that 5200fx aint gonna run any modern game pass 1024x768. What you wanna look for in a VGP is the core and ram clock speed, interface (ex. AGPx8), and memory interface 256bit (not memory size). Oh and another area not to over look is your power supply, it takes a high quality PSU to run top notch components, an aspect most people skimp out on. never get a Computer case that provides the PSU, any builder will tell you that. Get a Brand name PSU with high quality capcitators, and make sure that its very heavy! Things to look for in a mobo, dual channel, socket 478 or socket T, Chipsets, if your going with 478, I recommend i875p or the i865pe, the former being a litte faster then the latter.


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: February 18, 2005 at 13:58:59 Pacific
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I'm not an Intel guy so I can't give any advice as to the best board, but I agree with Galileo - dump the FX5200


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Response Number 3
Name: dustin
Date: February 18, 2005 at 15:57:13 Pacific
Reply:

heres my 2 pennys

if you want a gaming computer gat a athlon 64 socket 939 because u can upgrade procesors real soon for cheap

MSI k8n neo2 with the nforce3 chipset provids more gaming hores power

or asus a8v delux rev.2 with the via chipset

bowth great overclockers

athlon 64s are going down in price so if you get a 3000+ now you can upgrade in a year or so and still have muscle
because amd wants to stick with s939

dich the fx 5200 crap crap crap

geforce 6600gt or ultra

agp are going down in price so in a couple of months you can get a 6800ultra for cheap or x800xt(better)

Athlon 64 3200+
MSI K8N NEO2 PLATINEM
ATI X800PRO
1024 PC 3200 RAM
AUDIGY 2ZS
80GB 7,200 RPM MAXTOR HD
52X LG CD BURNER DRIVE
12X LG SUPER COMBO DRIVE
350W PINE DUEL FAN PSU


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Response Number 4
Name: rbs70
Date: February 18, 2005 at 18:38:29 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for your imput guys. I wish I had known about the vid card before I bought it. I just dont have alot of money left. I was told that this card would be good for a couple of years so I bought it five months ago for $130. Its an improvement over my old one a gforce 2 32mg. I need a motherboard around $50-$60 max. So thing that I can add to later. I chose Intel because I dont know much about AMDs. I heard its like a choise between Ford and Chevie, I have never owned an amd so....
I think with my price range I'm going to have to go with a 3 pci port 2 gig max mobo.
thx alot
Brian


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Response Number 5
Name: houston1981
Date: February 18, 2005 at 21:05:00 Pacific
Reply:

Heres my 2 cents as well.

What is everyone's obsession with getting $200+ sound cards? My motherboard comes with 8 channel sound and the majority of new motherboards come with at least 5.1 channel sound which does fine with gaming, movie and music playback. So my oppinion is, unless your a professional DJ running it off your home PC, forget the sound card, invest part of that money into a better motherboard and the rest into the GFX card.

Especially since you already said it's a gaming computer. BTW just to back this up the only sound card i have EVER bought was for my old pentium III and it was $30 AU, and that was just to get 5.1 channel, which the motherboard didn't have.

for example, my old pentium 4 2.66 motherboard, GA-8s648FX, which is pretty much a budget board had 5.1 ch surround and worked absolutely flawlessly.

Im not trying to burn you but you would be better spending that money on a decent GFX card then on an unnecessary sound card.

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Response Number 6
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: February 18, 2005 at 22:07:27 Pacific
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Since you've already sailed down the Intel river, don't skimp out now. Do NOT get a mobo with a chipset other than something of an Intel variety. Intel chipsets really allow the P4's to shine. Unfortunately, this means you're probably not gonna get off light on the bill.

Don't spend only $50-60 on a motherboard. You can do that with AMD often times, but with Intel, that's gonna ensure you getting a crappy motherboard.

Other things to look out for...

Watch out for the newest Intel boards that use DDR2. DDR2 is good, but since you already bought regular DDR, that would be bad. ;-) Those boards are also typically coming with PCI-e slots instead of AGP - again bad in your situation since you already bought an AGP card...which you'll be replacing probably within six months if you're playing more complex games.

I can't tell from what you listed which Intel CPU you got. Is it Socket 478 or LGA775?

I'm hoping Socket 478...

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-174&depa=1

That's the least expensive motherboard with one of the good Intel chipsets without me scouring the net.

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Response Number 7
Name: houston1981
Date: February 18, 2005 at 22:28:06 Pacific
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Eh hem, contrary to some comments on this site, AGP is far from dead, the newer PCI-E cards barely outstrib thier AGP conterparts (like less then a few percent) and the bandwidth for AGP 8x hasn't even been reached yet.

Not only that, ive heard some bad things about most DDR2 chips, as in higher latency's for a higher speed, which would be actually less value for money (BTW this isn't confimed, just stuff i've been hearing around the traps).

I will back heropsycho though, DON'T skimp on the M/B you will regret it.

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Response Number 8
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: February 18, 2005 at 22:46:11 Pacific
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Which has higher latency? SDRAM or DDR?

DDR!

Does that mean DDR has less value? NO! ;-)

DDR2 is harder to make of good quality, so that's why you're seeing so many being bad. However, if you buy the good stuff, it's fine.

Yes, I agree PCI-e cards of today aren't much better if any than AGP if they're the same cards otherwise. That will change later. When I was saying he'd be replacing his video card within six months, that's not why. He's gonna need a new video card because the FX5200 is way too slow for the newest games.

"...but in my defense, it was dark, I was drunk, and it was delicious!"


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Response Number 9
Name: houston1981
Date: February 19, 2005 at 00:46:27 Pacific
Reply:

Hey man i wasn't taking a shot at you i was making a general statement so that rbs70 doesn't feel that he HAS to get PCI-E, AGP will last well beyond the point when your PC is obsolete, just think that in a few years, maybe months, the x86 architecture may be moot, when things like cell processing come into play, all i'm saying is that don't be pressured, if you can get a good deal on a sweet board, don't be turned off because it's
AGP.

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Response Number 10
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: February 19, 2005 at 19:28:13 Pacific
Reply:

Didn't think you were taking a shot at me. ;-)

"...but in my defense, it was dark, I was drunk, and it was delicious!"


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Response Number 11
Name: rbs70
Date: February 22, 2005 at 18:01:22 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks alot guys
youve given me alot to think about.


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