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need advice on config
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Name: slayer00
Date: January 31, 2007 at 07:14:48 Pacific
Subject: need advice on configOS: XPCPU/Ram: 1 GB DDRModel/Manufacturer: intel |
Comment: hi i have- intel 865 GBF (which has an AGP slot)
2.8 GHZ HT CPU
1024 MB DDR RAM if i buy a good AGP card, something like the X1900 or the 7900, will i be able to play games like prey, oblivion, Doom 3,Far cry, fear?.. NOT talking about DX10 games .. only DX9 games yeah i know you ll say yes but ..
i want to run all thse games at max/ultra high settings with AA enabled will my 2.8 GHZ HT CPU be a bottleneck? & as far as the AGP/PCI-E difference is concerned its just a tad i beleive
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Response Number 1
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Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 31, 2007 at 08:02:31 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)Undoubtedly, your processor will be a bottleneck. Doom3 and FarCry you should be able run maxed out fine, but not Oblivion or FEAR. That's partly due from lack of CPU power, but it's also due to the fact you can't get the cards necessary to run those maxed out in AGP. The good news is you could still upgrade your motherboard, CPU, fan pretty inexpensively. While Core 2 Duo is performs better, you could get an Opteron 165 motherboard, CPU, and fan for as little as $200 and reuse your DDR RAM if it's PC3200. That would also probably have the side effect of saving you money on your video card, since PCI-e variants of cards available in both PCI-e and AGP tend to be less expensive. The Opteron 165 is quite the overclocker, too. That makes it a pretty good stop gap solution for people who already have DDR memory on a budget. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
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Response Number 3
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Name: jak
Date: January 31, 2007 at 10:12:10 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)try battlefield 2142, i have p4 GHZ and gefore 6800 and 1 gb ram. with 1024x768 resolution, all high setting. the game runs fine, but inside the Titan, it lags as hell. i can barely move. LOL! try that game. LOL!
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Response Number 4
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Name: jackbomb
Date: January 31, 2007 at 11:25:17 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)The CPU may bottleneck, but only slightly. If you want to totally max out those games, you'll also want an extra gig of RAM along with the new video card! The X1950Pro is the best AGP card, but even with it you won't be able to run the really tough games like Oblivion "at max/ultra high settings with AA enabled". No, that's more a job for the Geforce 8 series. But still, an X1950Pro should run them quite well at high (not ultra) settings, up to 1600x1200, and toned down AA (1280x1024) or no AA (1600x1200). But Far Cry, Doom III, and Prey you should be able to run completely maxed out.
My Super P3:
Pentium III-S 1.4GHz @ 1.58GHz, 512K L2
X800XT All-in-wonder, overclocked to 580/600.
250GB HD
2 gigs of PC2100 RAM
QDI Advance 12 mobo, this baby rocks!
SB Audigy 2
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Response Number 5
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Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 31, 2007 at 12:37:06 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)"The CPU may bottleneck, but only slightly." The X1950Pro is bottlenecked by previous generation processors. Even if his P4 2.8GHz is of the 800MHz bus variety, the X1950Pro will be waiting on the CPU to deliver data. While in games like FarCry and Doom3 it won't be significant enough to result in noticeable frame rate drops, it will be significant in FEAR and especially significant in Oblivion. There is little doubt that Oblivion would perform far better on an X1950Pro if it were backed by an Athlon 64 processor than if it were backed by a P4 2.8GHz machine. At the same time, it's not a bad buy. That video card will still allow his 2.8GHz play most games out there decently to very well, depending on the title. But to expect Oblivion to run full tilt on it is being unrealistic. Without a doubt, he would then need a CPU, mobo, fan, and video card upgrade, and for that matter, he shouldn't even be considering the X1950Pro. Good information about this can be found here: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01... "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
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Response Number 6
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Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 31, 2007 at 13:06:47 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)Direct quote from that article btw about the X1950Pro about Oblivion... "Wow. The X1950 PRO cards don't even budge, and maintain the same frame rates with HDR enabled. Obviously there is some serious CPU bottlenecking going on here." I know Jackbomb likes to talk about how his p3 doesn't bottleneck his graphics cards and all, but this shows this simply isn't the case when it comes to more advanced AGP graphics cards. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"
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Response Number 8
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Name: jackbomb
Date: January 31, 2007 at 15:37:00 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)"I know Jackbomb likes to talk about how his p3 doesn't bottleneck his graphics cards..." :-) I do, don't I?
I have nothing against admitting that my P3, as super-duper fast as she is (she's just as fast as a P4 2.4GHz in most games, and yes, it's a she), will bottleneck the crap out of an X1950Pro. So will a P4-2.4. The OP's 2.8, with HT, 800MHz bus, and possibly SSE3, is quite a bit faster than a vanilla P4-2.4. But now that I've seen those THG benchmarks, which have smashed my P4 2.8C theory (even though the article was based on an AMD 2500), I guess I'll have to agree with Hero, though not without a great lump in the throat and a tear in me eye. :P Perhaps a 7600GT would be the best bet for the P4 2.8C.
My Super P3:
Pentium III-S 1.4GHz @ 1.58GHz, 512K L2
X800XT All-in-wonder, overclocked to 580/600.
250GB HD
2 gigs of PC2100 RAM
QDI Advance 12 mobo, this baby rocks!
SB Audigy 2
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Response Number 9
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Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 31, 2007 at 17:16:29 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)jam - You're getting slow old man! I already posted that article in this thread. :-) "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"
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Response Number 10
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Name: jam
Date: January 31, 2007 at 19:10:24 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)Oh well, maybe if I could get online at work I would have beat you to it...lol
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Response Number 11
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Name: slayer00
Date: February 2, 2007 at 17:12:49 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)well what if i make my RAM 2 GB? will it make any difference? unable to display the user signature
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Response Number 12
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Name: heropsycho2177
Date: February 3, 2007 at 10:32:03 Pacific
Subject: need advice on config |
Reply: (edit)Debatable. 2GB of RAM doesn't add horsepower, it simply frees your CPU and hard disks from having to page as much. Honestly, in your situation, I don't know if it would help that much. Your CPU would still be the bottleneck. Look, there is a point that you have to say putting any money over a certain amount is a waste. No matter what you do now, you will need a computer in another year, two max. If you plop down $150 or so on a graphics card, that's not too shabby if you're happy with the performance. Add another $100 for another gig of RAM, and it's starting to get to the point you should be looking at a new system. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"
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