Low FrameRate in WoW/High Memory Usage @ Idle

September 8, 2016 at 13:49:04
Specs: Windows 10, 8GB
OS: Windows 10
PSU: Corsair GS 600
CPU: Intel i5 6600k OC @ 4.2
RAM: 8GB GSKIL DDR4 2666
GPU: MSI RX 480 4GB
MoBo: Asrock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K6

Not sure why but I have two issues so far. First is with the game WoW. On high settings I barely get 30 fps in most all areas of the game. I assumed with the above setup that I would be able to run this game at ultra with no issue and achieve much higher frame rate?? Other games I have played are at Ultra and the frame rate is into the hundreds.

Secondly, just at idle my system is actively using 3-4GB of my memory leaving very little for my applications to work with. It seems this memory compression is using a lot itself. Any ideas?

http://tinypic.com/r/2hx6eci/9

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#1
September 8, 2016 at 14:37:46
Memory Compression is used instead of the pagefile. It's only when memory runs low that the actual pagefile is used. I would be more concerned with svchost (netsvcs).

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers...

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/memor...

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ram-co...


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#2
September 8, 2016 at 23:48:19
Yes I understand the Memory Compression but things are still not working ok. The following are a couple posts I found that explain how things work and explain my issue a little more but the thread I found was never answered.

Explanation of how things work:
"The 'high memory usage' is by design. Windows 10 uses a new technique for RAM management. It tries to compress (and then cache) most of the running and (recently) closed applications in RAM to prevent them being written to the pagefile. Which would cause slower reaction times (compared to RAM) because the app has to be reread of the disk (pagefile).

Most of the used space should be in the 'System' process. Or what it seems to be called here "System and memory compression". And as said before "Unused ram is wasted ram"."

The OP problem and Mine:
"That may be, but it's still screwing with things. It's not releasing the standby memory so that the active program can actually assign memory to RAM. My games are literally shutting down and my computer is giving me low memory errors. It is simply not working as intended"

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#3
September 9, 2016 at 20:15:52
I would upgrade to 8GB RAM at a minimum for today's machines.
Have you restarted the machine recently, if no then do so and try it again.
Hard drive or SSD? Is there enough free space on C drive?

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#4
September 10, 2016 at 22:58:12
I have 8GB or RAM, it says that in my post... I restart my machine almost once a day after clearing out any junk with CCleaner. I have a 1TB 7200RPM WD Blue HD with 750GB Free Storage...

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#5
September 10, 2016 at 23:04:15
I cant even run a Game+IE at the same time. Eventually the game closes if I am running anything in addition to the game. I can run a game with no issues and 100+ FPS unless it is WoW. WoW runs at 30-40fps and in certain areas the game just shuts off even though nothing else is running.

What happens at the time of the game crash (sometimes all happen, sometimes not all); Driver crashes, low memory errors, physical memory usage maxes out, system locks up, screen goes black...


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#6
September 11, 2016 at 21:01:05
Identify programs still using CPU and memory when all is shut down using Task Manager. Disable these from starting with Windows through the program's settings or using CCleaner start up programs feature (I believe I have read this option here before). Programs you do not use can and probably should be uninstalled (Google if not sure about necessity of a program).
Run Malwarebytes Free version to be sure there is no malware that slipped past AV program.
If you use McAfee or Norton dump it (system hogs, both) using their own uninstaller and get a decently efficient AV program installed. Ask if you would like recommendations.

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#7
September 16, 2016 at 02:32:17
I found that the AMD Raptr App was doing massive damage to the CPU and RAM usage. Not sure if this was a bad release but it seems to be when a Java anything is opened this app just sky rockets. They recently started tracking Java games??

This has been found to be true across two completely different PC builds.

Second, Internet Explorer has a massive Memory Leak when the Microsoft Shockwave Flash Object Addon is enabled.

This has been found to be true across three completely different PC builds (including and Nvidia GPU build).

What I cant seem to pin down still is the fact that when running WoW I can not run anything else for an extended period otherwise WoW quits. Also when not running anything Else I am getting such crap for FPS with this build on only High settings Only in WoW (Everything else is 100fps+).

Malwarebytes and CCleaner are two of the first apps I install on anything and run regularly. Nothing found. I run Avast for antivirus with all the bulk removed and in silent gaming mode so I never have any issues there.

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#8
September 17, 2016 at 06:00:26
I do not generally recommend this but it may be that you have an early version of the motherboard with an early BIOS. I had a couple of issues with my last build (early version of Z97 (Z97X-UD3H) needed latest BIOS for full support on Devil's Canyon 4690K but even before that was done it did not support fairly new at the time GTX750Ti until I did the BIOS update using onboard graphics) that went completely away with a BIOS update (MB came with F4 and I needed F7 for CPU anyway). If you have not done this before, you need to use extreme caution since a bad update can make motherboard useless. Make sure power is reliable or use a UPS and have everything you need ready, then review the procedure before you start. I prefer the old Flash method via USB flash drive (used to be a floppy) which requires booting to the USB drive so you will have to reset the boot order if you choose this method.

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#9
September 20, 2016 at 01:56:49
The Asrock Fatal1ty Z170 Gaming K6 has a network enabled Bios and updates via the internet. I did this first thing before even installing windows.

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#10
September 20, 2016 at 19:53:41
Uninstall problem program(s), disable Java and Flash and see if it makes any difference.
Install HWMonitor and let it run at idle for a while and then while gaming. Check minimum and maximum on temps. Report finds. If you have one or more temps climbing high, your CPU or GPU may be throttling back to control that temperature and that could be your clue.
Unusually high temps could be a sign of poor case cooling, too many fans (creating turbulence), improperly applied thermal compound, too much overclocking, too little cooling ability on CPU heat sink (stock or undersized with OC), and possibly others. Post numbers or link to screen shot.
Post your OC numbers (details) for review while you are at it.

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#11
September 24, 2016 at 22:25:31
Disabled Java/Flash/Raptr and this keeps the memory from running away and crashing the game but the FPS is still bad. I have another system that is a few steps under this system and it runs WoW at the same FPS on the same settings...

HWMonitor @ IDLE:
http://tinypic.com/r/242hi7o/9
http://tinypic.com/r/255m9ts/9

HWMonitor @ LOAD:
http://tinypic.com/r/29u3uu/9
http://tinypic.com/r/if6f4k/9

I have found several forums where others using the RX 480 and other high end GPUs are having this issue with low FPS since the new Expansion patch so maybe this is on Blizzards end... or maybe a driver update is due out?

As far as the memory leaks I don't know how to fix those because it seems to be Raptr+Java and IE+Flash/Java that when running, eat up the memory and everything on the computer starts crashing.


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#12
September 25, 2016 at 20:47:24
Temps are a bit warm but not ridiculous.
One of your fans '...3' must be a bogus number under load because the speed would sound like a turbine winding up if true.
A GPU driver update could not hurt doing if available so check back on AMD/Radeon site periodically to see.
You are on Windows 10 so you should be on Edge, not IE (even though it is still on the machine). Try Edge as well as Firefox to see if there is any difference.
Disable Flash and Java or at least set your browser to 'Ask before activating' which I know Firefox has as an option.
I recently had a problem with some web sites with Flash overwhelming the system and since I do not care about these ads I set FF to Ask before activating Flash and the problem went away. I get a thin pop up bar along the top which I can ignore, X-out, or select 'continue disabling' any of which works.
There was a time when Flash was important for web site content but I do not find this so any longer and it is being abused by advertisers so for now, I disable it. There may be a time in the future that I decide it is no longer needed and uninstall it completely. Java has nearly reached that point due to the previous publicity that it left a hole in system security and I have not found any need for it yet this past year or so. It also stays effectively inactive until I decide it is definitely not needed.

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#13
September 25, 2016 at 23:47:27
Yes, after Flash overwhelming my system through IE I have yet to re-enable it. I also have not needed java except for specific applications so that usually is off also. Where I ran into the java issue was in the new Raptr version that tracks your Java game play. This caused the same system overwhelm so I just stopped using the Raptr app.

I checked amd for the latest driver and I was already running the latest driver. Interestingly though, I chose to run the Auto scan tool and it said for me to use a previous version of the driver. For the heck of it I uninstalled my current driver, ran a cleaner and installed the suggested driver. For some reason it installed the driver in minimalist mode without the Control Console. So far I am getting the same low FPS in WoW so that did not help.

The memory issue was resolved through Disabling Flash/Java.

The FPS in WoW though I am just assuming at this point it is in Blizzard/AMD's hands...

Edit: I was looking at the AMD driver page and I realized the Auto tool suggested the current non hotfix driver. The latest version of the driver is a hot fixed driver. I also noticed in the release notes that a lot of games are fighting with the RX480 card right now several of which are suffering low frame rates.

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#14
September 27, 2016 at 10:50:36
Are you running any add-ons? Carbonite chokes my frame rate when I'm in Pandaria.

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#15
September 27, 2016 at 19:34:48
Do you have an old gaming card? Maybe an NVidia card you can pop in to see if it has the same issues? If the different card has the same issue then the issue is elsewhere. If the different card does not have the same issue then it is the card or driver that they need to be resolved, replaced, or you may need to get something different.

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