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Name: nexusdesk
Date: April 20, 2005 at 09:49:58 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2
CPU/Ram: AMD Athlon 2800+,512 DDR
Comment:

Hey guys...
I just got a new pc assembled.The configuration being:-
AMD Athlon 64 bit 2800+ on an
ASUS K8NE-Deluxe motherboard.
RAM is 512 DDR and i have a
XFX 6600 GT 128 MB DDR 3 AGP Graphic Card.
Is that configuration gud enuf for current as well as coming heavily loaded games such as
DOOM III.....

Thnx for any suggestions
Rohan


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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: April 20, 2005 at 10:23:31 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"heavily loaded games such as DOOM III"

DOOM3 is not nearly as heavily loaded as people anticipated. Remember when everyone was scurrying around before the game was even released...trying to get the best card they could afford because they assumed the graphics would be so intense?? LOL! It certainly plays better with a high performance card, but I had no problem playing it with a GF4 MX440 64MB card (on the lowest settings).

That setup should hold you for a while. You got a decent card & that's 1/2 the battle. You can always upgrade to 1GB RAM or get a better CPU later, but since the A64 has moved to the S939 format, the CPU upgrades for S754 boards will be very limited.

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Response Number 2
Name: Sabertooth
Date: April 20, 2005 at 11:36:54 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"Is that configuration gud enuf for current as well as coming heavily loaded games"

Futureproofing PC's is a misnomer and only viable in the event of a bleak technological future (impossible this day & age). The key is to affordably build the best rig for what it will be used mainly for and develop a thick skin that can withstand deceitful marketing hype.

I have been tempted a few times to upgrade my rig to the 64 bit platform but as far I can tell the upgrade vs performace cost is still very lopsided to me, so am gonna remain content with what I got at this time.

Also not knowing what you had prior, it is unfair to really evaluate the upgrade, but I can tell ya this much, my 9700 Pro is still doing a good job with regards to gaming.

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Response Number 3
Name: rmackie
Date: April 20, 2005 at 13:00:39 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

It really is funny when you look at the hype surrounding new platforms and releases. I have a Sempron 2400+ (1.667 GHZ) overclocked
to 2.15 GHZ with a Radeon Sapphire 7000 64MB video card and I can play Doom 3, Half Life 2, Need for Speed Underground 2 and many more
at full detail settings with no delay and very good framerates. Future proofing a PC is impossible because of the rapid change in technology and
standards. That is why I decided not to upgrade to 64 bit until most programs are written to support it.


Sempron 2400+ OCed to 2.2GHZ
Abit NF7-S2
1 GB PC3200 Ram
Thermaltake T2-M4 HSF
rmackie@microtailors.com
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Response Number 4
Name: ...
Date: April 20, 2005 at 16:34:01 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"It certainly plays better with a high performance card, but I had no problem playing it with a GF4 MX440 64MB card (on the lowest settings)."

Well, you lose alot of the game's aesthetics/ambience. The point of the game is to get you immersed, rather than just trying to follow the plot line. When you have so much detail, you can even jump from your seat from time to time.

The set-up mentioned should be fine for a majority of games


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Response Number 5
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 20, 2005 at 18:11:12 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
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"I have a Sempron 2400+ (1.667 GHZ) overclocked
to 2.15 GHZ with a Radeon Sapphire 7000 64MB video card and I can play Doom 3, Half Life 2, Need for Speed Underground 2 and many more
at full detail settings with no delay and very good framerates."

With a Radeon 7000? I really don't want to start an argument, but I fail to see how that's possible.

"Well, you lose alot of the game's aesthetics/ambience. The point of the game is to get you immersed, rather than just trying to follow the plot line. When you have so much detail, you can even jump from your seat from time to time."

It's also about enjoying the game and not getting caught up in not enjoying it because you can't turn on Full Scene Anti-Aliasing or whatever, too. I know what you mean, but the point is to enjoy your games, not get caught up in breaking the bank account or not being happy with the hardware you have, too.

To the original poster, I'd recommend a RAM upgrade to a gig when you can especially as dirt cheap as it is now, and your rig should run great for quite sometime. Well spec'ed rig!

"People! Take to the streets and scream, 'BE REASONABLE!!!'"


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Response Number 6
Name: Dumb Geek (by bitboy)
Date: April 20, 2005 at 19:33:02 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

yea right! all high detail and no delay or lag with that system? give me a break, i am sure its lag on all high detail of doom 3. even my system has a little bit lag sometimes with all high detail, 1024x768 resolution of doom 3.

P4 3.2GHZ
kingstom 1GB DDR 3200
Nvidia geforce FX 5950 256mb


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Response Number 7
Name: rmackie
Date: April 21, 2005 at 12:05:15 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
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"With a Radeon 7000? I really don't want to start an argument, but I fail to see how that's possible."

Well it is possible...very possible.
First of all...the Radeon is at stock 148/148 (GPU/MEM . I've overclocked it so now the GPU runs at 220 and the mem at 185...so THAT is why I am able to
increase the performance of this card. When I say the highest detail settings, I mean (since I play on TV) 1024 X 768 as any higher setting
destroys the aspect ratio and I cannot see the entire screenplay of the game. Video cards are not the end all as far as gameplay and reducing
other bottlenecks in ones system greatly improves the performance of other components including video cards. Also, games differ in which host is taxed;
sometimes the CPU's floating point unit is taxed more than the video card. On the same note, sometimes the L2 cache is taxed more than.....well blah blah blah.

All that I can say is that if anyone has the same setup as I, try and see.

Sempron 2400+ OCed to 2.2GHZ
Abit NF7-S2
1 GB PC3200 Ram
Thermaltake T2-M4 HSF
rmackie@microtailors.com
www.microtailors.com


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Response Number 8
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 21, 2005 at 15:46:17 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"First of all...the Radeon is at stock 148/148 (GPU/MEM . I've overclocked it so now the GPU runs at 220 and the mem at 185...so THAT is why I am able to
increase the performance of this card. When I say the highest detail settings, I mean (since I play on TV) 1024 X 768 as any higher setting
destroys the aspect ratio and I cannot see the entire screenplay of the game."

Lemme get this straight. You're claiming that your Radeon 7000 overclocked can equal the performance of my 9800 XT in Doom 3? Not that this is a bragging match, it's just it doesn't conform to reality. My CPU is a Barton with more cache clocked at 2.4GHz (200MHz bus), I've got the same amount of RAM, and the same chipset on my motherboard.

I'll say it again - I don't believe you.

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Response Number 9
Name: rmackie
Date: April 21, 2005 at 16:01:58 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"Lemme get this straight. You're claiming that your Radeon 7000 overclocked can equal the performance of my 9800 XT in Doom 3? Not that this is a bragging match, it's just it doesn't conform to reality. My CPU is a Barton with more cache clocked at 2.4GHz (200MHz bus), I've got the same amount of RAM, and the same chipset on my motherboard.
I'll say it again - I don't believe you"
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I didn't make a claim that it equals the performance of any other card besides other Sapphire Radeon 7000s. I have played Doom 3 twice and I play Half Life 2 occasionally and Need for Speed a few times a week. I have experienced no problems or lag while playing..thus far. The Barton may have a higher L2 cache but again I'll say if the game isn't cache intensive, it really doesn't matter...and when it is the performance difference may be 1%-2% or so. I have no reason to make up stories it doesn't matter who believes me or not, I am just speaking on my experience. Take it w/a grain of salt...each system differs in ability...even with the exact same specs...I am very skilled in tweaking XP, registry and system settings to render max performance out of any setup...THAT makes a difference.

Sempron 2400+ OCed to 2.2GHZ
Abit NF7-S2
1 GB PC3200 Ram
Thermaltake T2-M4 HSF
rmackie@microtailors.com
www.microtailors.com


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Response Number 10
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 21, 2005 at 17:14:43 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

"The Barton may have a higher L2 cache but again I'll say if the game isn't cache intensive, it really doesn't matter"

My point was my CPU was better than yours, and you were claiming performance on par with my system with a Radeon 7000. This isn't a contest or anything; I just know it's not true.

"I am very skilled in tweaking XP, registry and system settings to render max performance out of any setup...THAT makes a difference."

I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional in Windows XP and have been tweaking it for various purposes including gaming for a very long time. No tweaking in the world, including overclocking that 7000, is going to get you the performance you're claiming, unless you count replacing the gfx card.

"Take it w/a grain of salt"

Trust me, I am. LOL...


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Response Number 11
Name: rmackie
Date: April 21, 2005 at 21:33:04 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

Again...I made no claim other than my experience with my setup and I am not a hardcore gamer; I build & service PCs, write code for software amongst other things. How can someone deny what I experience with my own eyes?

So be it...everyone is entitled to their own opinion..even if they aren't correct. And I will ask this...do you have a 7000 Radeon with a Sempron 2400+ oc'd to 2.15+ GHZ? If you don't there really is no contest.
"Nuff said."

Sempron 2400+ OCed to 2.2GHZ
Abit NF7-S2
1 GB PC3200 Ram
Thermaltake T2-M4 HSF
rmackie@microtailors.com
www.microtailors.com


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Response Number 12
Name: nexusdesk
Date: April 22, 2005 at 05:29:25 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

Guys,

No one has answered my question as of now.Can aneone plzz temme if that configuration is gud enuf or do i need to go for sum more changes.And plzzz gimme a straight forward answer that is relevant to my question and not to sum other setup or graphic card or how heavy the present gamez are.

Thnx
Rohan


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Response Number 13
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: April 22, 2005 at 14:02:50 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

I wrote...

"To the original poster, I'd recommend a RAM upgrade to a gig when you can especially as dirt cheap as it is now, and your rig should run great for quite sometime. Well spec'ed rig!"

That didn't answer your question?

"So be it...everyone is entitled to their own opinion..even if they aren't correct."

You're making a factual statement that can be proven right or wrong.

"do you have a 7000 Radeon with a Sempron 2400+ oc'd to 2.15+ GHZ?"

No, I don't. I have a pig that eats rocket fuel, and he can fly. Do you have pig and some rocket fuel?

Difference is I've installed Radeon 7000's before, so I actually HAVE experience with that card. I know for example they are the MINIMUM for Doom 3. So unless you know some things that I and John Carmack don't, I stand behind what I've said.

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Response Number 14
Name: freeman-hl2
Date: April 25, 2005 at 07:09:31 Pacific
Subject: Is my new pc gud enuf for future
Reply: (edit)

I cannot tell that all of you are true are not but there is a fact that all of you should know.
1. Games more CPU hungry
(exp.- Prince of Persia Warrior Within)
2. Games more memory demanding
(exp.- Doom 3)
3. Games more VGA dependent
(exp.- again Doom 3)
So you need to think about it once again.

As about Doom 3,YES! It can be reconfigured by unzipping the Zipped files in 'Base' directory and remodifying 'Doom.Cfg' can run your Game at Ultra Quality on a 64 MB descent
Radeon 7000 or GF MX 440.So you must know why you need resources and by thus,remodifying the source to match yours will do the trick.

And mind it,its 'conceptual' and not 'theory' that you are giving.


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