probably going to purchase this, let me know what you think, preferably jam or saber haha

$1297.00
(before all applicable rebates)
CASE: NZXT Nemesis Elite Aluminium Mid-Tower Case 420W W/Window, Temp.Display & Fan Control (SILVER COLOR)
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 8MB L2 Cache 64-bit
MOTHERBOARD: (Quad-Core FSB1333) Asus P5N-E nForce 650i SLI Chipset LGA775 FSB1333 DDR2 Mainboard
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: Extreme Performance (RAID-0) with 4 Identical Hard Drives (320GB (80GBx4) SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 8MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: NONE
SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

Like I told you in your other post...if you order a system from CyberpowerPC or iBuypower, you need to know your hardware. Obviously you don't.

- the 420W PSU in that NZXT case is garbage...hopefully you planned on ordering a better one?

- I suppose you can make an argument for a quad core CPU but IMHO, it'll be quite some time before quads before "necessary".

- You'd be better off with a board based on the Intel P35 chipset.

- The 8500GT is NOT a good gaming card. It's very low end & certainly doesn't need 512MB memory. Two of them in SLi aren't even as good as one 8600GT 256MB card...& the 8600GT isn't even that great a card! SLi configurations are a complete waste of money anyway. Stick with a single good card like the 8800GTS 320MB (NOT the 640MB).

- RAID-0 is a bad move as well & why on earth would you want 4 x 80GB HDD w/8MB buffer? You'd be better off getting one 320GB HDD with 16MB buffer.

The only thing you did right was the RAM.

I just ran thru CyberpowerPC & "built" a MUCH better system for $1163 & it would kick the living crap out of your configuration.

well, i must not have copied the power supply in there because i did change it to 600 w, also, i the only reason i didnt go with 8800gts is because im gonna use xp, will it still run fine with it? also, why dont u send me that setup?

"the only reason i didnt go with 8800gts is because im gonna use xp"

What does XP have to do with it?

wont it not let me use dx10?

here is my new setup

$1185.00
(before all applicable rebates)
CASE: NZXT Nemesis Elite Aluminium Mid-Tower Case 600W!! W/Window, Temp.Display & Fan Control (SILVER COLOR)
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 8MB L2 Cache 64-bit
MOTHERBOARD: ($15 off Mail-in Rebate) (Quad-Core FSB1333) MSI P35 Neo-F P35 Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB2.0, & 7.1Audio
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NONE
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: NONE
SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

"wont it not let me use dx10?"

We already went thru this. DX10 cards work fine with XP...DX9 cards work fine with Vista!

The 8500GT is a DX10 card...a crappy low performance DX10 card, I might add. How come getting an 8500GT (or two) isn't a problem but getting a 8800GTs is?

did u not read my post before yours, i changed it to the 8800 gts 320, so lets get that past us, is that final setup good, or did u do anything differnt?

There is nothing wrong with the 8500GT, in fact an 8500GT SLI setup would be interesting to just see how it performs. The main selling point of the 8500GT is it's price.

I am running one and have no slow downs, or performance issues, and it seems alot faster than my 6800GT, but the 6800GT was on my old agp celery system.

If one can afford it, I would of course go for the top of the line, but there is nothing wrong with the 8500GT

Give me a break...the 8500GT sucks. Your 6800GT is MUCH better! My guess is the rest of your Celly system sucked & didn't allow the 6800GT to show it's true colors. In case there's any doubt, have a look at the benchmark comparison:

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graph...

For the cost of two of 8500GT's (approx $75 x 2), you could get one good card that would blow the 8500GT SLi config away!

jam,

props to you when it comes to computers,
but you dont have to be such a jerk about certain things, you might want to rethink your manners, and stop dwelling on the 8500, weve gotten past that already

"weve gotten past that already"

We did, but Outlander hasn't.

I'm just trying to help. If you'd prefer to listen to Outlander's advice, by all means, go right ahead.

no no no no no,
im all for your advice
just be nicer ;)

since when does jam have manners..he generates more ignorance than most ppl on this forum,i help ppl & i also don't act like a know it all,i believe in freedom of speech even if it is on a forum...i help ppl if and when i can help them with a solution,i also don't use racist terms.... some ppl like jam need to grow up..and get off their high horse...i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind.

"i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind"

Neither do I. But apparently it's OK for you, but when other people do it, it's wrong?

I'm not here to be politically correct, I'm here to help. Admittedly, some of my responses may "sting" once in a while, but they are rarely without provocation. And although I'm sure you think otherwise, I rarely if ever call people names in these forums...I know better. I may say a particular hardware choice sucks, such as I did with the 8500GT above, but I almost always back up my claim(s) with a reputable weblink so that people don't think I'm just talking out of my a$$. I've been a regular on CN for many years & have helped out more people than you'll ever come close to helping. And I've even tried to help you a few times in the past.

Most of your responses lately have been how "mean" & "racist" people are in these forums...you have offered little or nothing in terms of actual help.

hey i admit that you help me but at the same time you can't possibly be racist and help someone at the same time...also if you can't help ppl without insulting them in the same breath don't bother helping them.i appreciate the help you have given me,i just feel you need to tone down your insults.if you insult someone they don't pay attention to what you say.so you really aren't helping them.also it doesn't matter how many ppl you help....what part i help when i can...don't you understand.i may not have answers for all posts on this forum,but i help ppl if and when i can..i help ppl on a volunteer basis.i do it because i want to...free will,not because it's the right thing to do.i do appreciate your help and advice from time to time.i may not have answers for everyone on here,but if i can help someone i will do so,it's my nature to help ppl.if that is so wrong then maybe i should move on to a different forum.like i've said before i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind.i'm not the type of person who shuts up for anyone.i believe in free speech,and don't like to see ppl needlessly attacked.thanks for your comments though.

ive started quite the debate now havent i? haha so will someone please answer my question that was unanswered 10 posts ago?

is this good for the money or is there anything better i can do? all from cyberpowerpc

$1185.00
(before all applicable rebates)
CASE: NZXT Nemesis Elite Aluminium Mid-Tower Case 600W!! W/Window, Temp.Display & Fan Control (SILVER COLOR)
CPU: (Quad-Core)Intel® Core™ 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4GHz 1066FSB 8MB L2 Cache 64-bit
MOTHERBOARD: ($15 off Mail-in Rebate) (Quad-Core FSB1333) MSI P35 Neo-F P35 Chipset LGA775 Supports Core 2 Duo CPU FSB1333 DDR2/800 Mainboard w/GbLAN, USB2.0, & 7.1Audio
MEMORY: (Req.DDR2 MainBoard)2GB (2x1GB) PC6400 DDR2/800 Dual Channel Memory (Corsair Value Select or Major Brand)
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 320MB 16X PCI Express (Major Brand Powered by NVIDIA)
VIDEO CARD 2: NONE
LCD Monitor: NONE
HARD DRIVE: Single Hard Drive (320GB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
Data Hard Drive: NONE
Optical Drive: (Special Price) 18X DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW DRIVE DUAL LAYER (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: NONE
SOUND: 3D WAVE ON-BOARD 5.1 SOUND CARD

Meh, everyone has their favorites. I just know that I dont have money right now, and the 8500GT was right in my price range. I have seen the benchmarks, but you have to remember that those benchmarks are from tomshardware and they have been caught before setuping up benchmarks to favor what they like.

Since I own a 8500gt, and a 6800GT, I can clearly say the 8500GT is the winner, BUT this is on my new system and the 8500GT is PCI-E while the 6800GT was AGP. And my celery didn't suck, the board went on me, so I upgraded. It was a 2.8ghzcelery(oced to 3.48) with 1gb PC400 OCed to 412mhz(digi4me.com) the AGP was 8X and it was an intel 848P chipset.

I'm sure if I bought a 6800GT "PCI-E" card, it would be faster than my 8500GT, but the 6800GT is showing its age and there are ALOT of issues with the nvidia drivers and the 6XXX series these days, the card would'nt run anything above 82.XX for me. The 8500GT installed the latestest drivers with out a hitch, maybe cause the 6800GT was AGP??? All-in-all, the 8500GT(even though he's not going to buy it) is a good card for the money, and I love mine, but if I could afford it, I would have gotten a 8600GT, or better. I will NEVER buy an ATi card though. Tried it, have the scars.

Oh, and I'm pretty sure your setup is overkill compared to most other peoples :) I would try getting higher rated DDR2 RAM though(DDR2-900). And it seems you have money to burn, so I would suggest an SLI setup, 2 8800's maybe??? heh, sick.

doomhammerr,

Your new config is MUCH better than the 1st one. You don't need faster RAM unless you plan on overclocking considerably. Always work with the frequency numbers when matching up CPU & RAM, not the theoretical quad-pumped & double-pumped numbers. A 1333MHz FSB CPU has a frequency of 333MHz. DDR2-800 has frequency of 400MHz. In other words, DDR2-800 RAM will allow you at least a 66MHz CPU freq increase over the stock freq of 333MHz before you have to worry about the RAM holding you back. And even then, the RAM will overclock somewhat beyond 400MHz, so you'll have a fair amount to room to work with.

Outlander,

Performance-wise, there's no difference between the AGP version & PCI-e version of the same card. A 6800GT AGP is equal to a 6800GT PCI-e. I don't know how you had your Celly system configured, but the Celly is a weak CPU...it doesn't matter that it was overclocked. I stand by my statement that the 6800GT is better than the 8500GT.

Your new system may be faster, but it's because of the board, CPU & RAM combination, not because of PCI-e vs AGP or because the 8500GT is better than the 6800GT. Clearly the 6800GT is the better card. If you don't like the Tom's Hardware reviews, find me a hardware site that will back up your claim, because I can find several that will back up mine.

Let me ask you this...which card is faster, a 6600GT 128MB or a 6800GT 256MB? I'll assume your answer is 6800GT. Now look at this site showing the 6600GT 128MB beating the 8500GT 256MB is EVERY gaming benchmark:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...

Here's another comparison:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards...

"hey i admit that you help me but at the same time you can't possibly be racist and help someone at the same time...also if you can't help ppl without insulting them in the same breath don't bother helping them.i appreciate the help you have given me,i just feel you need to tone down your insults.if you insult someone they don't pay attention to what you say.so you really aren't helping them.also it doesn't matter how many ppl you help....what part i help when i can...don't you understand.i may not have answers for all posts on this forum,but i help ppl if and when i can..i help ppl on a volunteer basis.i do it because i want to...free will,not because it's the right thing to do.i do appreciate your help and advice from time to time.i may not have answers for everyone on here,but if i can help someone i will do so,it's my nature to help ppl.if that is so wrong then maybe i should move on to a different forum.like i've said before i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind.i'm not the type of person who shuts up for anyone.i believe in free speech,and don't like to see ppl needlessly attacked.thanks for your comments though."

wgaxp, you seriously should stop posting replies here if you are not trying to help people decide which hardware is better based on your knowledge. I never see you help anyone in this forum except telling oh that person is racist oh that person insult me wahhhhhhh... This is like saying telling you the truth is insulting you.(8500gt vs 6800gt) Asking you for tips is robbing you. Give you good advice with backup website is racist to you...

"some ppl like jam need to grow up..and get off their high horse...i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind."

Apprently you are the one that needs to be grow up..

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CASE: NZXT Nemesis Elite Aluminium Mid-Tower Case 600W!! W/Window, Temp.Display & Fan Control

Since you are running Q6600 and 8800GTS, I highly recommand you to get a more decent power supply brand like antec/enermax/fsp... etc...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800 PAT
P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

TMP-Man: i say what i want when i want & if you have a problem with it don't respond !! simple as that move on to help the user with his/her problem...i help ppl if i shed knowledge on problems that they propose.and it seems you're the one who seems to be bothered by this,because you keep responding just as much as i do.so therefore i am in the wrong just as much.

and doomhammerr, found a nice psu if you want a good brand here ia a antec psu for your rig...nice setup btw !!

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...

doomhammerr doesn't need an 850W PSU for $169. He's getting a 600W PSU & it's NOT the stock unit that comes with the NZXT Nemesis. However, he never did mention the brand name of the PSU that he chose, so it is possible that it's not a good one?

ya know, i have no idea haha, i went to custom configure of the mega special three and just clicked the 600w one, in gave me other brand name options but i just stuck with the 600w one, will you tell my if its decent or if i need to spend 59 more?

I think the one you selected is the "CoolerMaster 600W eXtreme"? It gets mixed reviews, but the specs look good. I don't think you'll have a problem.

http://hi-techreviews.com/reviews_2...

http://www.thinkcomputers.org/index...

thanks jam, outlander, wgaxp, tcp and anyone else that helped, i think i can finally put this 24 post bulletin to a rest, im odering it friday :D

Wait? You haven't ordered it yet?? LOL!

You'd better take another look at CyberPower then because the hardware choices are constantly changing. You may end up having to change a thing or two...possibly the case?

"TMP-Man: i say what i want when i want & if you have a problem with it don't respond !!"

I don't understand why you even make this statement when you did it yourself.

See response #13:

"since when does jam have manners..he generates more ignorance than most ppl on this forum,i help ppl & i also don't act like a know it all,i believe in freedom of speech even if it is on a forum...i help ppl if and when i can help them with a solution,i also don't use racist terms.... some ppl like jam need to grow up..and get off their high horse...i lose no sleep in saying what's on my mind."

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800 PAT
P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

TMP if you don't like what i have to say don't bother responding,i used myself as a example to say my actions are just as justiable as yours.i admit when i'm wrong.

TMP at least i can admit when i'm wrong can you
i come here to help if you don't like what i post don't respond to me,simple as that.i help when i have knowledge,i don't know what your problem with me is,and quite honestly i could care less...i help ppl when i know the answers to their problems...if you don't like what i post disreguard it and move on...

"i used myself as a example to say my actions are just as justiable as yours."

Yes, criticizes people for being rude and racist is as "justifiable" as answer the question based on your knowledge... Again, this is like saying stealing money from the bank is as "justifiable" as donating money to charities...

",i don't know what your problem with me is,and quite honestly i could care less"

Apperently, you are the one cause problem here, not me...

"if you don't like what i post disreguard it and move on..."

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800 PAT
P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

when you have a valid point please wake me up because i'm bored with you...next

Http://www.pricewatch.com

"when you have a valid point please wake me up because i'm bored with you...next "

Ask yourself that question before point to someone else around. I always use your own quotes to point out how "invalid" you can be in terms of helping people around. Instead of answer the actual question, your responses are mostly "i come here to help"... So make something different instead of that sentence. It's getting boring you know, next...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800 PAT
P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
Leadtek 7600GT AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

TMP-Man... let's look at it this way the person got the help they needed & deserved reguardless of offside chatter... from me..lol of all things i hope this person's pc build goes as planned i ran into the psu that he might've needed just for a suggestion...most ppl make the mistake of buying a cheap psu for a nice gaming rig....i'm not too hardware savvy i know some things about hardware...i have limited knowledge..lol but i do try to provdide suggestions...from based on what i know about hardware...all in all his build turned out to be a good one i presume...and you're right i was out of line....but i corrected myself and focused on the user in question with his new build.anyways things are good now and this post can be put to rest.

wwwwwwwwwwwwwow everyday i check this out around 6:30 and haha, i love how i simply wanted a question about a build answered and sparked a 35 post question hahaha. hope you guys made peace with each other, and thanks for the help, haha i like outlanders one post link ;-)