thx 4 ur help sabertooth..yea i said in my 1st post that i ll upgrade my ram to 1024 MB DDR.. i can spend like around 100-150 $ but can go a bit more than that for a better card... now is Radeon X1800 Series superior to ATI Radeon 9800 series?? & will it b compatiable with my system?? >>> intel 865 GBF, 2.8 GHZ HT, 256 MB DDR RAM.. i m planning 2 buy a card of 512 MB.. which i hope supports all the latest 3d games till at least the next 7 years :) thanks in advance

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"now is Radeon X1800 Series superior to ATI Radeon 9800 series??" ATI's x1xxx (x1300, x1600, x1800, x1900) series is two design generations over the 9xxx (9200/9250, 9000, 9100, 9550, 9600, 9500, 9700, 9800) series. You have the xxx0 (x300, x600, x700, x800) series in- between the two. Unfornately the x1800 does not come in AGP flavor, but if it did then yes, it would be superior to the 9800 series. However, a card from a later generation does not automatically imply that it is faster for example the x1300 has half the pipeline and bus-width of older 9800 PRO. Lastly there is no point getting a card that will not perform to its fullest potential because it's being held back by the system's CPU. With your system I would recommend the 6600GT or if you want to push the envelope a 6800GS but definitely nothing faster. Evaluate your rig's gaming ability

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"You don't have to be "tech savvy" to do some research using common search engines. There is no nvidia 9800 fx of 512 MB RRAM video card." what i meant was 512 MB DDR RAM

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thanks so much 4 teh advice.. i was actually thinking of going for ATI Radeon 9800 series... will that give me a problem? provided i upgrade my RAM to 1024 MB ram??

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The 9800 PRO requires auxillary power source, so long as you have a good PSU it should not be a problem. Since you are somewhat loyal to ATI, there's good price on the 9800 PRO below. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131281R Evaluate your rig's gaming ability

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teh reason i m preffering ATI to nvidia is i hav heard that ati is better than nvidia.. thats wat i found on the net.. hope i m not wrong & thanks for giving me that link

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hmm the link u gave me gives me a 128 MB card.. cant i get a 512 graphics card around the same range? i did check that however & this is wat i got... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102684 is this a good card? i know its fit for doom 3 & hopefully for half life 2( i hav checked the requirements) but i hope it is good for future 3 D games too wat really confuses me is .. for the graphics card, is the model no a bigger criteria or is it the memory?.. for e.g a 256 MB 9800 pro ati radeon card wud b better or a 512 mb x800 radeon card?? i hope u got wat i asked

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Do you even have a PCI-E slot on your motherboard ? Like I hinted before, the video card and its performance level are tied tightly to the performance of the other components in the system. The most important one of these is the CPU itself. A system with a top notch processor will have faster video performance than one with a slower CPU, all else being equal. Secondly the type of motherboard (and chipset), the amount, type of memory and system cache also have an effect, as does the system bus. In simpler terms, if you get a that outperforms your CPU, you are not going to see your GPU perform to its fullest ability. Evaluate your rig's gaming ability

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1. you have to know what video upgrade slot your motherboard has. 2. if you want a hi-performance gaming card, there's a good chance that it will have to be connected to the power supply. Therefore, your power supply would have to be able to handle the extra load. (Sabertooth mentioned this, but I'm guessing that you don't know what PSU means) 3. you don't need a 512MB video card. Choose a card with either 128MB or 256MB, uses either a 128-bit or 256-bit memory interface, & supports DirectX 9. 4. you need more system memory. 256MB is barely enough to run WinXP, when it comes to gaming, you should have at least 512MB...more is even better As for card choice(s)...nVidia & ATI both make good products & the performance lead tends to change back & forth between them. Personally, I think ATI has slightly better image quality. There are different generations of cards. nVidia had the Geforce, Geforce2, Geforce3, etc. They're currently in the 7th generation (7300, 7600, 7800, 7900). With the ATI Radeon series, the 1st number used to be the DirectX version it supported...Radeon 7xxx supported DX7, Radeon 8xxx suported DX8...but things went a little off with the 9xxx series. Most supported DX9, but not all. For instance, the Radeon 9000, 9100, 9200, 9250 were all DX8 cards. Anyhow, the X in the last series is supposed to be the Roman numeral for 10, & the latest series is X1, which apparently is supposed to represent the number 11. Here's a list of most, if not all, of the currently available cards: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/

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yes, I do have a PCI-E slot on my motherboard i do understand all that u told me.. but wat i really wantd 2 know is .. a 256 MB 9800 pro ati radeon card wud b better or a 512 mb x800 radeon card?? i was only comparing amongst graphics cards

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you DO NOT NEED a 512MB video card!

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Also, the Radeon 9800 Pro is NOT available in PCI-Express...it is AGP only

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Are you sure you are not confusing PCI with PCI-E ? I thought you said you had the mATX Intel 865 GBF motherboard. Oh well, maybe I'm delusional from too much caffeine today, time to go grab some beer. Evaluate your rig's gaming ability

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Yea, Sabertooth, I think you're right...I should have looked up the board specs. Angel77, You don't have PCI-E or AGP...you only have PCI, so your choices are very limited. The best you're gonna find is an FX5500 128MB/128-bit card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133134

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"Are you sure you are not confusing PCI with PCI-E ?" i m sorry like i said before i dont hav a lot of hardware knowledge ... i dont even know what PCI means .. i thought it meant a slot where in i cud attach graphics cards...if u r talkin about that i got 1.. i do hav a graphics card slot & im using a graphics card (i mean an external card not an onboard one )which is quite frankly too old >> NVIDIA RIVA TNT 32 MB ram. yes i do have Intel 865 GBF motherboard & sorry i dont know the difference between AGP, pCI & PCI E thanks 2 all the reason i wanted 2 buy 512 mb card was 2 make sure i dont hav 2 buy another for at least 5-7 years. jam with all due respect 2 u i think FX5500 128MB/128-bit card really sucks :( damn wont i b able 2 use ati 9800 or a Radeon X800GTO card?

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I suggested the 9800 PRO from the earlier link because I figured you particularly wanted an ATI card and you had an AGP slot but no PCI-E on your motherboard. There is no point splurging on a 256MB card if you are not going to benefit from it and IMO I'd still prefer you go with a 6600GT but ultimately the machine is not mine and the final say is yours. Evaluate your rig's gaming ability

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"jam with all due respect 2 u i think FX5500 128MB/128-bit card really sucks :( damn wont i b able 2 use ati 9800 or a Radeon X800GTO card?" OK, looks like I'm gonna have to eat my words. I found what I think it your board, & it does have an 8X AGP slot. Here's the info from the Intel website: http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d865gbf/index.htm If you look at the pic, the black slot hidden by the chipset heatsink is the AGP slot: http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d865gbf/index.htm No card is gonna hold you over for 5-7 years anyway. Plus you need to add more system RAM...256MB is pathetic, especially for gaming. If you increase it to 1GB (1024MB), will that cut into how much you can spend on a video card? The 9800Pro is a good card, but it's a bit outdated. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/page4.html

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sorry, just released that the 2nd link is the same...here ya go: http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/bf/pix/d865GBF_lg.jpg

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thanks for the advice.. i did say in my 1st post & again that i m gonna upgrade my RAM to 1024 MB :) but isnt ati 9800 or a Radeon X800GTO card better than 6600GT? & 6600 GT is a nvidia model right?

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hello.. any1.. is ati 9800 or a Radeon X800GTO card better than 6600GT? & both these cards will work with intel 865 GBF right?? pls hurry as i need 2 make the decisin soon.. the card shud b nice enough 2 play doom 3 & half life 2

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The 6600GT is better than the 9800 Pro. I don't know about the X800GTO. I believe the 6600GT is faster unless you mod the X800GTO, but I don't have time to look it up. You may want to google "X800GTO benchmarks". Corn chips are no place for a mighty warrior!

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so look I'm building this monster and spent alot of money so far. Do I need to shoot my dog for SLI to work or take out the trash or mow yard what what what , I'm getting to the point just 1 sec plz. lol ok I have GA-K8NXP-SLI motherboard and like to know can I install 2 video cards like the 2 slotted monster cards 512mb on my motherboard or do I have to get 2 video card 1 slot version to run SLI and if so can you plz tell me which card. I have a water cooled case and like to water cool video card but what I need to know is can I have 2-2 slotted cards or 2-1 slotted cards is really all I asking. Thanks Alot

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Please start your own thread. Corn chips are no place for a mighty warrior!

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hello again, does SAPPHIRE 100142L Radeon X1300 512MB GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card work fine with doom 3? also is it better than geforce 6800GT?

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"ello again, does SAPPHIRE 100142L Radeon X1300 512MB GDDR2 PCI Express x16 Video Card work fine with doom 3?" Probably... "also is it better than geforce 6800GT?" No. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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