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Name: BSOD
Date: May 12, 2005 at 17:59:31 Pacific
OS: WinXP Pro SP2
CPU/Ram: P4/1GB
Comment:

I am getting sick of my crappy computer and it has come time to get a new one. This time, I wish to build one myself. I want to know if the parts I have chosen are sufficient. Here are the parts I am looking at:
CPU
Video card
Motherboard
Sound card
Hard drive (2x)
Optical drive
PSU
Case
RAM (2x)
Mouse
Keyboard
Monitor
Speakers
OS
Heatsink
Fan
Fan adapter

Are these good? Am I being ripped off? It totalls to about $2800, is that to much? Is there anything you think I should change?



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Response Number 1
Name: cyberarachnid
Date: May 12, 2005 at 18:24:47 Pacific
Reply:

U need to be more specific on this.

$2800 is enough to buy complete parts for self-assembled PC.

But, to have the bad-ass, kicking butt, faster than the speeding bullet gaming PC, u may need more than $2800.

But, just get the latest 3d gfx card and large lcd monitor, lots of DDR2 RAM, cooling systems for overclocking, over-clocking friendly casing, high-end motherboard (with nVidia SLI) and one or two latest AMD CPU(s).


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Response Number 2
Name: BSOD
Date: May 12, 2005 at 19:26:20 Pacific
Reply:

I don't want a state-of-the-art gaming PC, but I do want a PC that will preform very good with today's latest games. I am buying everything new, monitor, mouse, keyboard etc... Are these good parts for the money? Will this give good preformance for Doom 3, HL2, and games to that sort? I don't want an LCD. CRTs are much better for gaming, and I hate how you have to look at LCDs at a certain angle otherwise it is to bright or dark.


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Response Number 3
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 12, 2005 at 19:56:48 Pacific
Reply:

This isn't a slam or anything on you, but when people post links instead of the raw text of items when they're asking for advice, I don't click the links. Call it laziness, I guess. Please don't take offense, I just letting you know if I'm doing this, others might be, too.

There's no earthly reason you need to spend $2800 on a system to play the latest games well, and when I mean well, I mean high res with all the eye candy on.

I'd be happy to take a look if you post the raw test of the items and their prices.

"People! Take to the streets and scream, 'BE REASONABLE!!!'"


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Response Number 4
Name: BSOD
Date: May 12, 2005 at 20:19:12 Pacific
Reply:

Ok, here are the specs I am looking at:

AMD Athlon 64 3800+ Venice CPU
eVGA Geforce 6800GT video card
ABIT FATAL1TY AN8 motherboard
CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum Pro sound card
2x Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 SATA NCQ 160gb hard drives
Pioneer DVR-109 optical drive
PCP&C Turbo-Cool 510 Express / SLI PSU
Lian Li PC-65B case
2x OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 1GB Dual Channel RAM
Logitech MX518 mouse
Saitek Eclipse keyboard
ViewSonic E90f+SB
Logitech Z-5500 speakers
THERMALRIGHT XP-90C Heatsink


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Response Number 5
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 12, 2005 at 21:06:07 Pacific
Reply:

Couple of things...

1. EVERYTHING in this system is overkill. But you probably knew that.
2. If you're not overclocking, the retail boxed heatsink is fine, and preserves the 3 year warranty for the CPU if you get the retail boxed CPU.
3. For gaming, you're not gonna see a difference between 1 and 2 gigs of memory.
4. Why not an Audigy 4? If you're getting the top of the line 2, might as well get the newest one. And you do realize the Platinum just has the interconnects to plug in stuff mainly for recording, right? For gaming, it won't do anything for you over the non Platinum.
5. I assume the two hard drives are to do RAID0. Do keep in mind the increased speed comes at the price of double the risk of total data loss due to hard drive failure. If one fails, you lose EVERYTHING. RAID0 will only significantly help with reducing the time it takes to load a level, or start the game.
6. There's a documented problem with NCQ and Nvidia Nforce 4 chipsets.

http://www.amdgamer.com/read.php?rid=136&type=1

That's about it...

"People! Take to the streets and scream, 'BE REASONABLE!!!'"


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Response Number 6
Name: BSOD
Date: May 12, 2005 at 21:48:54 Pacific
Reply:

Wait, do you mean to tell me that the hard rives I am looking at will not work in RAID 0?? This is not ment to be state-of-the-art. If It was, I would get an FX-55, an SLI mobo, and 2x 512mb 6800 ultras. Are you also saying I should just get the platinum version and not the platinum pro? Do I need to get caviar re's instead to make sure I don't run into that incompatibility?


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Response Number 7
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: May 12, 2005 at 22:46:34 Pacific
Reply:

Dude, if you sincerely think you have to spend the kind of money you are to get a good system, but not bleeding edge, I hate to break this to you - this is a bleeding edge system! It may not be tip-top of the line, but it might as well be.

Look at benchmarks of the CPU's...

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-16.html

1280x1024 Far Cry, and the difference between a 3500 Athlon 64 and the 3800 is 184fps to 192. You can't tell the difference!

Let's look at price now...

Using newegg it's $260 vs. $367. That's worth $107? In my opinion, absolutely not, but that's your call. Personally, I'd get a 3000 or a 3200 on a motherboard that can take an FX-55, and upgrade when the FX-55 is dirt cheap in a year or so.

Going down the line, you're getting way more than you need on almost every component. Why do you need a platinum or a plantinum pro on your sound card, period? I understand getting an Audigy 2, but how about the one without all the interconnects. Are you seriously going to be connecting fiber optic audio devices to record from? That's fine if you are, but most people aren't. That's around $100 more right there!

You don't need two gigs of memory. 1 gig? Absolutely! Even buying CAS2 I kinda understand. 2 gigs is overkill. 1 gig of CAS 2.5 PC3200 RAM is $80 shipped right now. Yours I'm guessing is what - $300? That's $220 right there...

You don't need a Lian Li case, but you probably knew that.

You don't need that heatsink unless you're gonna overclock, which you don't have to do with a rig that highly spec'ed. That's $40...

You don't need a 6800GT, but I understand if you want a screaming rig. But nevertheless, a 6600GT will perform very well in every game out there. But of all the components, the 6800GT should be cut down last.

You don't need RAID. A fast SATA drive with tons of capacity will do great for gaming, and has half the chance of data loss. Pop a 250 gig SATA in there, and forget 2x160 gigs in RAID0. RAID0 will get you NO higher frame rates in your games! Do you really care if it takes 20 seconds to load a level instead of 30 (and having to double the risk as I mentioned in the process)? That's about $100 right there...

All those suggestions aside from the video card (keep it...you might actually see the performance increase from that), I just saved you $600! And trust me, your rig will still be slamming!

For the RAID setup, read the article. NCQ is Seagate's term for the technology. Other brands have the same tech, but it's not called the same thing. Irregardless, the point is you have to turn it off in the drivers for now. No, I would not trade the Seagate drivers for WD's; Seagate drives are much better quality.

If you do run RAID0, I highly suggest you buy an external hard drive, and use XP Pro instead of Home, so you have NTBackup to easily backup your system. Running RAID0 without frequent backups is like the coyote from Loony Toons strapping the Acme rocket to his back. It will be fast, but it didn't turn out too well for the coyote, and neither will it for all your data.

Bottom line is even tip top systems are dusted in 2 years by newer systems. Save that money for constant reasonably priced upgrades.

"People! Take to the streets and scream, 'BE REASONABLE!!!'"


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Response Number 8
Name: Galileo
Date: May 13, 2005 at 04:12:11 Pacific
Reply:

good logic, and reasoning there hero. A couple of hundred dollars more to gain a few extra frames a second is not penny wise, and is not gonna make or break game play experience. A 3k system can be classifeid as a weapon of mass destruction, and if I had that kind of money to invest in my machine I would not even bother posting, muchless care for other opinions (except, which part is the fastest available to the public), but hey, to each their own. Happy spending and happy fragging.

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Response Number 9
Name: Half life 2
Date: May 13, 2005 at 07:49:31 Pacific
Reply:

i might not know much about computers but to me thats alot of overkill and id do what heropsycho says save the money for good upgrades 1-5 frames per second ant gonna make much difference...
And flashy keyboard for that price...

you must be hell rich or hell madd if you spend that much on a system at once

im guessing your just madd on games.

Intel Celeron 325 2.5ghz
256mb ram
On-board graphic soon to be upgraded.
40gb seagate HDD


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Response Number 10
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2005 at 11:16:24 Pacific
Reply:

"I don't want a state-of-the-art gaming PC, but I do want a PC that will preform very good with today's latest games. I am buying everything new, monitor, mouse, keyboard etc... Are these good parts for the money?"

"Are these good? Am I being ripped off? It totalls to about $2800, is that to much?"

Hey, you chose the parts so how could you be getting ripped off? It's definitely overkill & whether you think so or not, it's damn close to leading edge. But it seems to me you're paying an awfully lot of money for things you don't really need to spend so much on:

1. $210 on soundcard
2. $230 on PSU
3. $135 on case
4. $190 on 1GB (2 x 512) PC3200
5. $45 on a mouse
6. $50 on keyboard
7. $85 on heatsink + fan + adapter
8. $290 on speakers

Total of $1235! You should be able to knock off $800 from the above.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @ 8 x 210MHz
768MB PC3200
Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit
Gamer Edition
WinME/WinXP Pro


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Response Number 11
Name: snoopy104
Date: May 13, 2005 at 13:24:17 Pacific
Reply:

Don't want to pee on your bonfire or anything, but remember that that system is overkill now, but give it another year when Microsoft Windows Longhorn is out, the next generation DirectX, SATA2 and Multi-core processors, your suggested computer will be average. In my view, it would be better to spend money on a good mid-to-high end computer using sensibly priced stuff and upgrade as it needs it.

AMD Athlon XP2200+
Aero7 lite
1GB Crucial pc2700
Abit NF7-s V2.0
80GB Seagate SATA
120GB Seagate SATA
Geforce4 Ti4200 128mb
Benq FP767-12 17" 12ms
SB Audigy 2 ZS


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Response Number 12
Name: CPU
Date: May 13, 2005 at 20:35:58 Pacific
Reply:

Yes but he will probably never need all that to run any game. He doesn't need a top of the line sound card. And an $85 keyboard? Man I would seriously shop around for better deals.


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Response Number 13
Name: BSOD
Date: May 13, 2005 at 21:36:16 Pacific
Reply:

Umm, sorry to break it to you, the keyboard is $45... And I have decided to get an Audigy 2 ZS Gamer LE instead.


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Response Number 14
Name: jam
Date: May 14, 2005 at 10:01:52 Pacific
Reply:

I don't agree with many of your hardware choices, but hey, if you can afford it, knock yourself out.

I think Snoopy104 nailed it:

"it would be better to spend money on a good mid-to-high end computer using sensibly priced stuff and upgrade as it needs it"

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @ 8 x 210MHz
768MB PC3200
Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit
Gamer Edition
WinME/WinXP Pro


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Response Number 15
Name: GlobalCortex
Date: May 28, 2005 at 18:38:32 Pacific
Reply:

In my experence in cpu buliding that is way too much for what you are getting. Try going to other websites to look for parts. I always buy off of TigerDirect.com



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