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I'm currently in the market for a gaming pc that won't break the bank. I've heard on the circuits (no pun intended) that TigerDirect sucks hot sweaty donkey balls but I'd like to find out from you guys what your opinion is. Where can I go that can support games like WOW, Sins of Solar Empire, Dungeon Siege, Unreal, etc. Other needs for this computer is storage space for media. What things that I should never buy into. Newbie gamerchick here, trying to find a computer that I won't be hacking to bits from frustration in 4 weeks.
Thanks for you time!
^_^

prebuilt...soo not skilled nor knowledgeable enough to build my own. I do plan on converting the exterior case for a warcraft mod eventually. I plan on posting a link of pics when I finally get finished with it.
I do know that I'm looking for a black mini tower. Monitor not needed. Hopefully speakers mouse and keyboard available. I don't need an OS. I still have windows XP professional. I was looking into Linux but I wasn't sure where the benefits of either OS types lie. I heard Linux was more of a gaming setup.

Ok...I've been doing research this past ..I dunno hour or so, and I think I'm going to try my hand at building. what do ya'll suggest? I'm all ears.

I would suggest against a mini-tower. They generally limit many of the hardware components in regards to size...usually the power supply, motherboard & video card. Fry's Outpost has several deals on Ultra Products cases right now, but there's just a couple of days left. Take your pick:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/49...
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/51...
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/51...
Here's a 320GB HDD for $65, also from Fry's:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/52...
And here's 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 RAM:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/48...
All items above ship for free!

As for the CPU/motherboard...do you prefer Intel or AMD? Will you be overclocking or just running at the default speeds?

Hi, I'm intrested in buying the game Warhammer 40k : Dawn of War
ehm will my computer be able to handle it?Its graphics card is a NVIDIA GeForce2 Mx/Mx 400

"will my computer be able to handle it?"
You shouldn't hi-jack another person's post. That game is several years old but I don't think your video card can handle it. I don't know about the rest of your specs cuz you didn't list them:

OK! Well how much do you have to spend on this? www.cyberpowerpc.com is a great seller of gaming pcs.
" I don't need an OS. I still have windows XP professional. I was looking into Linux but I wasn't sure where the benefits of either OS types lie."
You can't "resuse" windows xp if thats what you mean, and second of all, your not going to get Linux to run your games, Linux is great for everything but gaming, so maybe you can do a dual boot. Your going to want at least an Intel Core 2 Duo, 2gb ddr2 ram, preferabably as jam loves it to be " a 1:1 ratio speed with the cpu" At least a 600W power supply, a decent video card, maybe a 8800 gts 320 or 8800 gt, a decent cooler, well actually, if your going to mod this, and you want a small case, then your going to have to get a nice cooler to keep er' cool. Let us know your price range and other specifics.

"You can't "resuse" windows xp if thats what you mean"
Sure you can. Just delete it from your old system & install on your new one.

well...I do have a habit of multitasking my music, websurfing (several pages current)and gaming. Not so sure on the term Over-clocking but I hope that helps any.
Thanks on the info on Linux, I wasn't sure on what it was best at. And yeah you can reuse XP. Just make sure you have all the paperwork and the install key from the last system purge. I used to work at a school where they updated from XP to Vista. Got it supercheap from the salvage department. Got a lot of spare parts to. mostly RAM but I think it's only 256 RAM. SOO not ready to jump that Vista band wagon. I'm waiting for Moore's Law to effectively work out the bugs in Vista before I try it. ..Come to think of it. How long has Vista been released? *shrug* NEwho.
But yeah I was wanting to mod it but if I have to sacrifice quality for pretties, give me quality anyday.What's ya'll opinion on Nvidia's 7300GTs? would it be best to shell out the cash for the 8600GT or the 8800GT?
And also I hear the water cooler vs. Fan cool opinion is a bit mixed. Would it be best to go with the water system and is there a chance for leakage?I'd like to keep the spending at a max around 3k. If I'm going to spend more than that I'd might as well buy an Alienware that I've drooled over many times. Tho some say A.W. is getting to be more pretty than purpose these days. But...that Area 51 is colorful....
I like Intel but AMD has some nice products to. I've been spoiled on some Intel tho. What about Centrino? I've not heard a lot about what they can bring to the table. So many choices to go with these days.
Thanks for being so helpful guys.
^_^

3k?!!? :O Hell, you could get a fantastic computer for that much. Before I recommend specs, how much are you into gaming? And when you say multitaksing, are we talking about something an average computer can do or are you talking multiasking photoshop itunes and games all at once? If your not into gaming a lot, or doing lots of intensive things, then id recommend certain things vs. doing limited applications and wasting money. Let us know what you are really into.

The list of games in my first post are games I play heavily...(but toss in Homeworld in there for color). I don't normally multitask while playing these games but I do have a tendency to be absent minded and will access other programs at the same time.
Eventually I'd like to buy photoshop and various other digital artsy programs. I am an artist so it's important that it can take different programs. I'm also working on a architectural project for a local company. With that in mind, I'll need it to be able to support the easy to use Sketchup program to work on my Designs for the different buildings I'm working on. I know there's people who adore the Lightwave rendering system but it's hard for me to understand.Let's knock down the spending limit to half the already said limit (1,500). What's the best system to be had with this limitation?

for 1500 you can still get a beautiful system. my system can be had for less than that and there is very little it can not do (besides run crysis at full:P)is 1500 including the monitor or not? cause that can be a sizable chunk.
Core 2 Quad q6600 2.4GHz@ 2.9GHz 323x9
MSI P6N-FI nforce650i Mb
3GB OCZ RAM DDR2800@645
2x250GB HDD in RAID 0
2xDVD-RW
Foxconn 8800GTS 320mb 630/1410/1840
ATI TV 550pro
FSP 700w

I would recommend this system
-core 2 quad q6600 at 2.4 ghz,
-P35 chipset for motherboard
-2/3 gb ddr2 ram,
-seeing as how your gonna have a lot of files, either one large hd 500gb at least, or two in raid, like zcubed,
-definately 2 dvd rw. or more depending
-AT LEAST a 8800 gts, or the new 8800 series
-600w power
-decent cooling
-case is personal choice, some have better cooling but just read the review before u get the case. Get a 12-1 media reader, i can tell your going to need one.
-22inch samsung would be nice, ive got one, there very nice
-logitech for mouse and keyboard
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/m...-the reset is really personal choice
OH ONE thing. Don't get a monitor of Cyberpower, thats one thing they charge too much for

Some comments of the above response:
"core 2 quad q6600"
- there's no need for a quad right now, but whatever floats your boat.
"either one large hd 500gb at least, or two in raid, like zcubed"
- I recommend against a RAID-0 configuration. There's very little performance to be gained (none in gaming) & there's no redundancy. If one of the drives fail, you will lose everything with little chance of recovery. If you feel RAID-0 is the way to go, make sure to have a 3rd HDD available to backup your important data.
"definately 2 dvd rw. or more depending"
- I don't even know why you would need two, let alone more than that. Burning "on the fly" is not the best way to copy discs.
"600w power"
- do not buy a PSU based on wattage alone. There are other specs that are much more important, especially the amperage rating on the +12v rail. And the +12v amp recommendation has changed due to ever increasing video card power requirements. It would better to get a PSU with a high amperage rating (30A or more) on a single +12v rail rather than a PSU with multiple +12v rails of 18A. The multi rail system has been found to be very wasteful. This will explain:
http://www.pcpower.com/technology/m...
"decent cooling"
- whatever that means? To some people it means 5+ case fans, to others it means water cooling. If you have a decent case with good airflow characteristics, all you really need is a single 120mm exhaust fan in the rear of the case.

Jam., maybe the rest of us should stop posting and you can rename it jam'sgaming because it seems you just enjoy showing everyone up.

well, people's opinion differs from others and I need solid backing to what ya'll think works. Because things ya'll are pointing me to gives me an idea of what to work with.
If you see something that no one else either noticed or a flaw that you experienced, I'd hope that you would tell me the gist as well.
Oh and monitor is not an issue...Ironically the 22" is the one i'm going for.

I'm not trying to show anyone up...I'm just trying to help. Your generalized suggestions were incomplete so I expanded upon them, otherwise they would've just led to more questions. I skipped over the RAM issue but 2/3 GB of what? DDR2-533? 667? 800? 1066? And if 3GB, which would be better, 3 x 1GB or 2 x 1GB + 2 x 512MB?
600W PSU? I saw one on eBay for $14.99, would that be OK?
What's your definition of "decent cooling"? You probably won't read thru the following article, but in the conclusions it states, "A single rear exhaust fan produces the best results overall. This flushes the theory of more is better right out the door."
http://icrontic.com/articles/pc_air...
"what do you suggest?"
- CPU - not a quad at this time. I'd go with a Core 2 Duo E6550 or E6750
- Board - GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L
- RAM - either 2GB (2 x 1GB) or 3GB [(2 x 1GB) + (2 x 512MB)] or 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800. **not all 4GB will be recognized with a 32-bit OS though
- HDD - single 320GB SATA w/16MB buffer. External HDD for backup.
- 500W (or better) PSU with single high amperage +12v rail. Corsair & Silverstone are both offering some decent units. For example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...
- Video card - Radeon HD3850
This would be a decent "bang for your buck" gaming system.
Almost forgot...go with WinXP Pro, not Vista.

Not that it matters but JAM has made some good points. I wouldnt take that as a show up if i was posting and someone corrected me i would just learn from it.
There is no need for two dvd-rw
Also with the power of video cards today there is really little use for quad.
Next AMD boards are really good for gaming if you are going to be overclocking. Just my preference intels boards are also really good.

Wow jam! While reading their posts I was forming responses in my head and I kept reading and you said exactly what i would have. quite amazing. lol even the link to pc power and cooling!
only things different is I would ask her how interested she is in programs like lightwave, because that is the only real reason for a quadcore (it cuts a C2D render time nearly in half). Also I would have suggested an Nvidia card, just because I prefer the linux support, although soon that wont be an issue. and it doesn't matter to much for her, unless she wanted to partition her HDD with Linux. Gaming is quite possible with Linux. WoW works, UT works, and the others she said probably would too.
If she isnt interested in 3D modelling, then id say go with the Core2Duo e8400, should yield better price for performance than the e6000 series.
Corsair modular PSU is a great one for a first time builder.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...as for the (memory)RAM, just listen to jam, he knows.
the mobo you said, GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L, is a great one, I just built a PC with it, jam helped me OC its fsb to 1600Mhz, you could easily put that e8400 to 3.6Ghz 1600Mhz(400Mhz) FSB, and go 1:1 with some DDR2 800 (or maybe go with 1066, and put it down to 800, but tighten the timings? is that a good idea jam?)
as for GPU, I'd really have to add up all the other parts and subtract them from 1500
depending on her monitor, an 8800GT 256MB version might be better, unless shes running at 1920x1200 (like I am), shes probably at 1280x1024, if she hasn't upgraded in a while, if she has, still probably not bigger than a 22" and 1680x1050 is just pushing on needing a 512MB card.the 8800GT 256MB is just a tiny bit more than the HD3850 512MB, but it does perform that bit better too.
actually scratch that, its probably not worth the 40 bucks.
as for a case, I just built a system with this NZXT, its smaller, takes some work, but all said and done its a great case. I wish I had some pictures I could post, but its already at my girlfriend's house.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...but for a first builder you might want to spring the extra buck for a nice LianLi (although not the new $200+ ones). LianLi is great for case modding, air flow, and ease of building I've never had anything better than LianLi.
Well if you havent already purchased your rig, please post up your final list so we can all have a look.
Thanks and Good Luck!

that worked, sorry for being retarded, apparently I had to spam the confirm button, otherwise it just auto unchecked 'I agree'.

LOL
you know Bol, you could just ask me yourself...-_^
NEwho, the monitor I'm going with will be a 22" HD flatscreen...possibly Samsung. I'm still up in the air about what brand I want but that's besides the case. *snicker* ok pun so NOT intended...About Lightwave: I believe I mentioned before (but I probably didn't) that I'm not a fan of Lightwave. I am an amateur at C2D creation and Lightwave is no lightweight when it comes to that brand. I have no interest in shelling out 500+ for their system if I'm constantly met with frustration. Yes I know they have tutoring classes on it. Thanks but no thanks. *sigh* but the results are fantastic....
~grumble~About Linux: I think I'm just going to stick with the windows operation systems. I've had to purge a lab of computers that got slammed with a CGI virus ((really nasty buggers, the lot of them)) OMG the puns!! lol sorry...weird night. NEWHOs the 4 labs of 23+ machines each were running on XP, dedicated server and T1 connection. Repartioning was a breeze. Keep in mind this was 5 yrs ago. Plus I've been using winblows all my life. Yay for customer loyalty.
but yes thanks guys for all your input. Hopefully ya'll wont forget this thread if any new ideas spring up. I'm still checking regularly. Plus I'll be linking the machine once I'm done with doing all the pretties.
**hugs and thanks**
spyda

Yeah if your not intent on 3d modeling, definitely go for the new e8400 CPU.
It's a core 2 duo (rather than quad) but most programs really wont do anything with the quad. also the e8400 is a 3.0Ghz rather than the e6600 thats only a 2.4Ghz. and if you wanna give it a try, the e8400 is a GREAT overclocker, people have gotten it to 4.8Ghz on air cooling.Stick with what you know, windows really is probably better. The first month of linux you probably will bang your head against the wall. It is great once your used to the little things, but without someone who knows it nearby to help with little questions. It can be frustrating.
oh and if you have the cash, go for the samsung 22". its one of the best, samsung actually makes the panels for most companies. Acer does a pretty good job of using high quality samsung panels for a real cheap price. make sure you look into it though, a lot of people get caught up on things like the OSD layout (monitors built in menu, for things like contrast and brightness). what really matters is your contrast ratio(try for 800:1 or higher), refresh rate (less than 6ms), brightness (300cd/m2 or higher is good), Display colors (aim for 16.7 mil) resolution (standard for 22" is 1680x1050).
but the most important thing about monitors, and probably the hardest to find out, is the panel type.
TN: the most common type of LCD panel is a TN, its very cheap to manufacture and yields very low response times. this was a boon to the early LCD industry, but the color quality and viewing angle for these monitors is the lesser of most types of LCD panels.
IPS: the best color quality, but by far most expensive. slower response but great viewing angle and color quality.
MVA: better picture quality than the TN, better viewing angle, but a bit slower response time.
PVA: is samsungs version of VA, usually better color quality than MVA, and TN, but less than IPS. great viewing angles. if your worried about gaming, look for an S-PVA, its samsungs newer PVA type that has a better response time, and still maintains great picture quality and viewing angle, I would say this is ideal for most purposes.
the downside to the cheaper TN panels is that (I believe, though I haven't read up on this stuff in a while so I'm not 100%) TN is using an upscaled 6bit, while panels like PVA are true 8bit. although TN has great technology to upscale the 6bit, to a real keen eye, it can make a difference.
I would suggest an S-PVA type, unfortunately I don't have the time right now to go searching for a list of them.
good luck, and if all else fails, just go Samsung.

hi all , my problem is in my keyboard , its work normal but when i play games its not working unless i use the shift key with every thing , i tried another one but same problem.

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