Hi,
I am looking to play some new games on my Fx5200 vedio card. By new I mean games that I have not already played. I am not even going to attempt to play the latest games on this card.

I played games like Medal of Honor Allied Assault and Call of Duty1 on this card. If anyone knows of any other good war games please kindly give me the names.

One of the best games I have played is Ceasar3. If anyone knows any games similar to Ceasar3 that would be great.

I dont need only shooter or stratergy games. I am looking for any 'new' game with a great gameplay experience. If you guys have the time, simply list out the games you guys have enjoyed the most in the past few years. I would love to try out some new games that will run on a fx5200.
Thanks to all.

Jam, the psu still lives:)

Sarosh

I really don't care....

Battlefield 1942...

Operation Flashpoint and Resistance expansion...

Cossacks: The Art of War...

Command & Conquer: Generals...

jam Wars: Return of the Unholy PSU...

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

for every game there is a requirement... i suggest u read it...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

I think Cossacks: The Art of War...
Is going to run very well on my system. This is just the kind of game I needed.
Thanks a lot, heropsycho2177.

If anyone knows any games like Warcraft3, with really colorful enviornments please sugest the name. I know there must be tons of games that will still run ok on a fx 5200. I just want to stay clear of any games released in the last 2 years. I am also playing Unreal Tournment 2004 on the fx5200, and it looks pretty good at 1024 resolution with 40+fps.
Thanks for recommending that nice game, heropsycho2177.

Sarosh

quake 3
rainbow six

Gigabyte GA-K8NS
Athlon64 3000+ Venice E6
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu LED
X800XL 256MB AGP
1GB Corsair PC3200 VS
120GB WD/160GB Maxtor
Aspire Chameleon 550W

here's all the free old games you can handle:

http://www.abandonia.com/index2.php

I highly recommend "PSU: the Curse of jam"...

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Its the blessings of jam that has kept my psu running so long. The common opinion seems to be that my psu should have definitely gone pop by now, ha.
I know jam prays for my psu.

Sarosh

Dudes,
Recommend me some awesome stragergy like Ceasar III where there is commerce, trade, building, selling, etc. I love such games.

Sarosh

how about Ceasar III... sounds pretty good

TJ297 All Prices are in Auzzie Dollars =D

AMD 3800+
2 Gig RAM
Nvidia 7800GT
Thermaltake 430w PSU
Antec LAN-boy Case
Onboard Sound WOOOOT
Surprisingly not bad :p

I played Ceasar 3 like many times, and I still love it. I want another game that is similar to it.
Recommend somethng dude.

Sarosh

Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy PSU...

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Jam finally agrees with me when he says:
"I really don't care...."

Thats the whole idea of my great psu, just use it without me caring one bit.

Sarosh

"The common opinion seems to be that my psu should have definitely gone pop by now"

I don't wanna start this crap up all over again, but that is NOT the "common opinion". The opinion is/was that your cheap PSU is what caused your 6600GT to fail & the suggestion is/was that you replace it.

Uh, ohhhhhh...

lol...

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Here we go!

Relax dudes,
You guys portray me as a guy who argues senselessly. I have never disputed with anything you say. I am just one of those guys who doesnt care for his hardware as long is it does not go POP.
The psu still lives, jam.

Sarosh

Look into "StrongHold Crusader", a great R.T.S. game that has city managing as one of its stong points, one of my all time favorites. Be warned though it requires AT LEAST 4Mb of video ram, might wanna upgrade your PSU for this one.

http://stronghold.heavengames.com/

http://www.gathering.com/strongholdseries/

Thanks dude,
I am going to try to find those games. The screenshots of stronghold looks like it will only run at a resolution of 640.
Does the game run at 1024 resolution?
I like the screenshots very much, this is another game that I will enjoy. Thanks dude.
Jam, its still alive.

Sarosh

"Jam, its still alive."

...but your video card isn't. FACE! :-P

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If I was to pray for anything, it would be that your PSU went out with a bang, not a pop, & that it would fry your board, RAM, CPU, HDD, & video card as it sparked & smoldered it's way into oblivion!

My psu has your blessing to let it go for another two years.
And my card went dead because it was refurbish, I had overclocked it a lot, and had not even connected it properly. I saw the aopen warrenty forums, there are tons and tons of 6600GTs gone dead from aopen.
Mine lasted 8 months.
My psu is awesome, dudes.

Sarosh

JAMMMMMMMM..
YOUR BLESSINGS HAVE COME TRUE.
message from aopen:

*****************************************
We are glad to tell you that we already have your card and we will repair it for you with no charges, however, the shipment is not covered with the service so basically you will shoulder the shipment expenses back to you, that if you will agree we will send the card all at your own expense. Please provide us your name, address, phone number wherein we will send your card. We would like to let you know also that we are going to close your other issue ID 13962 with the same subject. As always, it our pleasure to be of service to you. Your response is highly appreciated.
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I know you prayed for me while you drove your bike jam. This is good news. I can get to play fear again. The fx 5200 was making me cry man.
Just hope the card reaches me back safely now.
Thanks my dude, your advice for sending the card to warrenty was the best advice I ever received, because I was honestly prepared to throw it across my compound wall into the dumps.
Thanks jam!

Sarosh

And yes, I am going to buy a new psu to keep me going for another few years. This psu has fulfilled its duty loyally for 4 years, could not ask for more.

Sarosh

Go with the VIP again, it has more gunpowder!

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I think an antec 350W should be just fine for another 4 years.
What do you guys think?
Now that I have the card back, I dont intend to upgrade my cpu or m/b untill anything actually goes pop.
A good quality 350W antec shold be enough for my system, shouldnt it?

Sarosh

This is another PSU that is just within my budget. 3800Rs is still a lot of money to spend on a psu, but if it will last me 4 years with my repaired 6600GT, then it is worth the money.
If the 6600GT works fine, then I dont intend to upgrade anything. I just want this psu to be adequate for my current system. Although 3800Rs does seem a lot for a psu, when a whole cabinet+psu costs Rs.1200/-
However, its antec, and will give me the comfort of knowing that my 6600GT is not in any risk of blowing up because of a psu.

Sarosh

A kind reminder to anyone who is considering providing advice...

http://www.computing.net/gaming/wwwboard/forum/7115.html

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Dude, get real man.
You guys gave me advice when I didnt need anything. I was having an fx5200 then. I dont need a great power supply to run an fx5200.
But now my 6600GT is coming back (hopefully). So now I am seriously considering buying a good quality psu. I dont know what the great jokes are about. You give me advice when I dont need it, and when I do ask for advice you say something funny.

Sarosh

You don't need a new PSU. All you need is some phosphorous in your diskette drive.

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Thats right man,
My current psu is awesome enough to handle a 6600GT.... and more.

Sarosh

BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

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"You guys portray me as a guy who argues senselessly."

"But now my 6600GT is coming back (hopefully). So now I am seriously considering buying a good quality psu."

"And yes, I am going to buy a new psu to keep me going for another few years."

"You guys gave me advice when I didnt need anything."

"Thats the whole idea of my great psu, just use it without me caring one bit."

"You give me advice when I dont need it, and when I do ask for advice you say something funny."

"Its the blessings of jam that has kept my psu running so long."

"The psu still lives, jam."

"If the 6600GT works fine, then I dont intend to upgrade anything. I just want this psu to be adequate for my current system"

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

If you read those quotes I arrange for him, is it necessary to recommand him anything for everything he ask?

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

TMP-Man, you forgot to add...

BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

LOL...

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

All those are his quotes...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

Here I make it better for you hero...

============================================
"You guys portray me as a guy who argues senselessly."

"BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

"But now my 6600GT is coming back (hopefully). So now I am seriously considering buying a good quality psu."

"And yes, I am going to buy a new psu to keep me going for another few years."

"You guys gave me advice when I didnt need anything."

"Thats the whole idea of my great psu, just use it without me caring one bit."

"BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

"You give me advice when I dont need it, and when I do ask for advice you say something funny."

"Its the blessings of jam that has kept my psu running so long."

"The psu still lives, jam."

"BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

"If the 6600GT works fine, then I dont intend to upgrade anything. I just want this psu to be adequate for my current system"

"The psu still lives, jam."

"BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"
============================================

Is that better? hero? =P

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

LOL, no no, YOU got to say it.

Trust me, it relieves stress!

BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

In case you don't know what the heck that is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vLVJVyVmA&search=howard%2Bdean

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

All this embrassament only because I am using a 300W low-quality psu which is 4 years old?
Is your norm to throw out hardware that works fine just because some websites talk poorely about it?
You guys want to embarass me only because I am still using a 4 year old 300W psu which has worked absolutely flawlessly for me?

Anyway, AOpen have said they will repair my card free of charge. They have not said anything that my psu has made my card go pop.
I have talked to other people too, they all agree that a good quality psu is required for a graphics card, but now of them can say with confidence that my psu will make my card go pop. They all say that my psu will surely go kaput if it cant handle my load, but none of them say that my psu will take down my card.

My psu is still working fine, I am still playings games on it and leaving my comp on 12+ hours a day.
If my low quality psu would have made my 6600GT card go kaput, then the psu should also have suffered some damage in the process. But my psu is still working flawlessly, so I can only conclude that my psu is still working fine, and the card went kaput on its own.
I used the card without any problems for 8 months, except the initial hang up due to lose cables. My psu worked fine for those 8 months, and is still working absolutely fine now. Its only the card that went dead.
And even if I get a new card, I will be gaming for not more than 30mins at a stretch, the rest of the time my computer will just be used regularly.

Anyway, I dont think you guys are going to answer anything seriously, but I will ask you a question again.
What is a "retail" graphics card?
My guess is that retail is not the same as refurbished or used, its more to do with the marketing.
But if any of you feel like providing a serious answer, please tell me if a "retail" agp card is of any inferiour or lower quality than a non-retail card.

The 300W psu still lives!!!

Sarosh

"Is your norm to throw out hardware that works fine just because some websites talk poorely about it?"

Nope.

"They all say that my psu will surely go kaput if it cant handle my load, but none of them say that my psu will take down my card."

You're lying, or they're stupid. Take your pick. I pick you're lying.

"If my low quality psu would have made my 6600GT card go kaput, then the psu should also have suffered some damage in the process."

WRONG! The PSU may get damaged, but it may not.

"And even if I get a new card, I will be gaming for not more than 30mins at a stretch, the rest of the time my computer will just be used regularly."

Large output fluctuations which is what kills components happen in split seconds. You really should have paid attention in physics class.

"What is a "retail" graphics card?"

It's a card that's had its tail reattached.

BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

I remember when Howard Dean made those statements & Jim Rome got a hold of the sound bite & played it over & over & over again.

All I can say about dsarosh is:

....you make me wanna oh-oh-oh-ohhh, you make me wanna la-la-la-laa, you make me wanna SCREEEEAAAMMMM!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ziu_vWAdNsc&search=ashley%20simpson%20orange%20bowl

"I got a tax policy that'll break your neck. BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!"

*shaking head* Too funny...

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Haha,
You guys are loosing it man. Get hold of yourselfs, dudes.
I dont know who Howard Dean is and I dont know who Jim Rome is, but bet they have something to say about my PSU.

THE JAM SAID: "Some 300W psu are better than some 400w psu".

So why is my psu not as good as a 400W psu? Because it has no name? Because it is manufactured in Taiwan? Because it has worked flawlessly?
Sitting there in the US of A you pass a quick, witty comment "Your psu is crappy".
Do you expect me to dismiss the 4 years of trouble free use this psu has given me because your great wisdome says "this psu is crappy".
Does my positive experience with this psu count for nothing? You seriously expect to term a component that has worked well for 4 years as crappy? I have no idea what or who makes you guys think like that.
If a part works for 4 years for me, that part is GOOD, NOT CRAPPY. And if I get that part for a good price, I call that EXCELLENT VALUE FOR MONEY.
You guy's logic seems to have popped out. This forum is rated as "one of the most helpful forums on the net". I read that in an Indian magazine. This forum is rated no1. and annoyances.org is rated as no2.

But I simply fail to understand how you great, wise hardware gurus can term a cpu as "crappy" after it has worked perfectly well for4 years.

I have to reapeat yet once more, I dont care for voltags, or amperes or temperatures. I see my computer is on, its working. I dont care for anything else.

Sarosh

I think once and for all I will get an electricain over here and test all the currents and voltages on my psu, and then you guys may finally decide among yourself wheter this cpu is crappy or not.
But I am still puzzled that you experts will brand something as crappy after it has worked for 4 years.
Do you expect antec psu to work for 40 years?

Sarosh

I think you guys are going to misunderstand what I have said above, so once again I am compelled to clarify.
The people from whom I buy hardware are experts in their field. They assemble 100s of computers in a month. They supply computers to colleges, governemnt, universities, and since they are my friend they also cater to individual customers like me.
They have enough experience with hardware to know exactly which parts are good and which are bad. They even know which series in a psu are good, and which are bad. They have the experience of assemblig 1000s of pcs behind them for them to judge which parts are good and which are bad.

I know they dont give the highest quality parts to everyone, and they have not lied about it to me. I have spoken to my hardware guys about various things. He has said that they dont give the best quality parts to the government offices, because they always delay payments, and he has to send them repeated reminiders.
But when it comes to individual users like me, I know he does not sell me "crappy" parts. You guys thinking that my hardware guy will give me something crappy is absolutely and totally absured and your opinions are based on nothing but ignorance.
Nothing that anyone has sold to me is crappy, and nothing will be crappy. Maybe you guys are associating my territory with crappy, but that is your problem for which I dont care much.

I can give you many examples in which my hardware guys have given me parts which I had not initially asked for. For example, when I wanted a 40GB HD I had asked for a seagate, but he said something about "samsung spinpoint" and that these are little better or whatever.
When I wanted 266Mhz ddr ram, he sold me 400MHz transcend server ram. May be he had my future upgrade path in mind, or maybe he just trusted transcend as the best ram.

The same goes with my PSU. This psu is not crappy, and that is final. If you dont believe it, I will return here after a year and show you pics of the psu still going strong. And if my psu goes POP (much to jam's delight) then I will simply replace my psu and show you guys that the rest of my system is working fine on the new psu.
Only time will tell, till then you guys can keep making your judgements.

Sarosh

Not only is your PSU crap, but your hard drive is crap, and your RAM is crap, and your system builder punched holes in your motherboard! BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Dude, those holes in m/b help with the ventilation. It is a very advanced engineering technique followed by my hardware chap, probably beyond the understand of most. But those holes in the m/b are not crappy man.

Sarosh

You don't understand that your 6600GT fried because of your cheap PSU & you will never even accept that it's a possibility...you will continue to believe it was the card's fault because it was "refurbed". Do you know what a refurbed card is? Usually it's a card someone bought, opened the box, broke open the seal on the static bag, then opened up their case only to realize that they didn't have an AGP slot (or some other dumbazz reason), so they returned it. Now the store is "stuck" with a perfectly good card that is basically brand new, but because the seal was broken they can't sell it as new...so they label it "refurbed" & sell it at a discount. This has been explained to you several times! There was nothing wrong with the card until you overclocked it. And the actual overclocking isn't what killed it, it was the fact that your cheap PSU couldn't supply the power that the overclocked card required...basically, you starved it to death!

As a side note, I'm sure there are some sellers that would simply place the card in a new static bag with a new seal, put it back in the box, then resell it again at full price as "new". Who would know?

If you had bought a brand new 6600GT & it fried, would you still be blaming the card? or do you think you might be openminded enough to consider other possibilities?

Do you know what makes some 300W PSUs better than some 500W PSUs? QUALITY! Open up a 300W Antec unit & you'll find that it was built using high quality capacitors, heavy guage wiring, & heavy duty heat sinks. And do you know why Antec PSUs cost more? Because quality parts costs more!

Open up a cheap 500W PSU & you'll find crappy capacitors, light guage wiring, & light duty heatsinks. These cheap units are inefficient, meaning that a greater percentage of the wattage is given off as heat, & the cheap light gauge heatsinks don't dissipate the heat effectively so that causes the other components to run hot. And because they hot run, they're much more likely to fail or supply consistent, stable power.

You have been provided link after link & website after website that describe power supply design, that explains what to look for when choosing a power supply, that showed benchtest/load test results, etc. A mechanical engineer would have the technical smarts to be able to understand this stuff, but you admitted that you are too f*cking lazy to look at them because "reading alone is boring".

"...those holes in m/b help with the ventilation. It is a very advanced engineering technique followed by my hardware chap, probably beyond the understand of most."

Oh, I understand it quite well...as a matter of fact, if you click on the "Memory Dump" link I have listed as my HomePage you will see samples of "advanced engineering techniques"

"And because they hot run, they're much more likely to fail or supply consistent, stable power."

I meant to say:

And because they hot run, they're much more likely to fail & much less likely to supply consistent, stable power.

Compare my power supply spec with some others...

Enermax Noisetaker EG325

+3.3 @ 24a
+5 @ 24a
+12v1 @ 16a
+12v2 @ 16a

Look at the el-cheapo 500 watts and compare...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

You don't understand that your 6600GT fried because of your cheap PSU

Jam, as usual I agree with everything you say. What you say is totally right and makes sense. If something is sold for a lower price, there is definitely some compromise in quality.
But I would like to ask you, how did you come to the conclusion that my psu is "cheap". Did I tell you the price at which I purchased this psu?
Do you base all your opionions based on websites reviews and previews?
These websites test a couple of samples from each brand and write a review, but my hardware guys have assembled 1000s of psu and cpus and m/b and rams and all that goes with it. I think it will be stupid to say that the people who write the website reviews are of "higher quality" and my hardware guys are "cheap".
I would definitely rely on the opinion on the person who has been dealing with 1000s of PSUs rather than count on the opinion of one reviewer who tested on PSU in his test lab. Anyway, if a company sends their PSU to be tested, they will probably make sure they send a good piece.
Im still puzzled that you think my psu is "cheap". Nothing I do is cheap, my friend. I have got spare computer hardware lying on my staircase rusting in the rain, and they were still working when I dumped them there and I have given my old HDs amd mouses and modems and speakers to many needy friends and I dont even want to keep track of that old hardware now. I dont involve myself in anything cheap. I find it sheer arogance on your part that you can call me and my hardware guy as "cheap", but that arrogance is what you people are famous for.

You cant just read a couple of websites and come to the conclusion that my psu is cheap. The hardware situation changes very soon. Couple of years ago, Seagate was the market leader in India, specially in coastal India, because the samsung HDs would give problems in the high humidity and rains. Today samsung is the market leader, overtaken seagate, because they have fixed the problems with their HDs and now samsung is also offering 5 years warrenty.
At one time LG monitors were considered the best CRT to buy, but not any more. Because LG is pushing LCD monitor developement, and is not coming up with any new innovation/features in the CRT department.
My point is: hardware situations change. Just because something was poor at one time, does not mean it is crappy now. A samsung HD of 5 years ago may be crappy, but a samsung HD purchased today is better than a seagate HD.

As for the other arguments you made, they all sound good, but dont really explain everything. When the card was new I didnt actually connect the extra power cable. The computer still ran, I even playe need for speed prorchse. But when I tried any newer game, the driver would give me a message "nvidia sentinal will slow down your core to prevent damage". That means that whenever the card was not getting adequate power, the drivers would warn me.
After I fixed thhe cables properly, I didnt get this message for over 6 months of use. That simply means that my HD power cable was providing adequate power. I dont see how a psu can provide adequate power one day and then blow up the card the next day. My psu has always run pretty cool, I showed you the holes I drilled in the side of it, plus I put in an extra large system fan. So my psu would hardly ever heat up much.
Also, if my psu were to send a surge of high current/voltage to my card, the shouldnt the power cable burn up? I have seen this happen in the past. When a higher current/voltage is passed over a wire than what it is cabable of handling, then the wire burns up in smoke, and gives out a nice stink too. So if my psu were supposedly send a surge or current/voltage to my card, then shouldnt the wire burn up first, because that wire was not meant to conduct such a load?

As for your argument about being hot, I had said this earlier too, but maybe you were not listening, as usual.
My psu runs pretty cool at full load too. I drilled holes in its side, and I have placed a bit, fast fan at the bottom of my case. This fan is fast enough blow dust from any corner of my cabinet, and this fan along with the drilled holes keeps my whole cabinet very cool. There is no heating of the psu at all. Even on full load the air being exhausted from behind the psu is only mildly warm. So once again, you demonstrate that you base your opinions on what you read on your websites, and personal, real-live experiences count for nothing to you, or maybe it is just that you dont believe anything I tell you.

Tmp-Man: How did you get those readings? Is there any software out there that I can use to test my psu, or do I need a multimeter to actually test the output? Tell me how to test my psu, dude. Thanks.
Sarosh.

Sarosh

Few years ago I had installed WinXP Pro on my dad's old computer. I just think about what kind of great advice I would have received here if I were to consult you guys before installing XP Pro on that computer. That computer was a 233Mhz mmx intel, with an old ati onboard graphics card and 1GB hard disk and 96MB ram. I remember when my dad ordered that comp he said "I want a computer to replace my typwriter" so my hardware chap gave him only what he required. He DID NOT try to push anything down our throat, he only sold us what was required, and for very good rate. That computer worked for 5 years. WinMe would have some problems, whenver we tried to scroll the outlook scroll bar, the computer would hang up. I decided to install WinXP on that computer, because I had used WinXP without any problems on my computer.
I was aware of the websites reviews and website previews and website warnign stating "minimu requirements for WinXP". If I would have asked jam before installing WinXP, he would have said "your cpu is crappy, your m/b is crappy, dont install WinXP".
But I did install WinXP, and it worked flawless for 4 years. It didnt not hang up a single time. It worked so well, that I upgraded that compuer to 196MB of SD Ram.
But I am sure that if I would have come here before installing WinXP on a 233Mhz mmx cpu computer wtih 96MB of sd ram, you wise guys would have rediculed me, and my computer, and the guy who sold me the computer.

When I first came to this forum, jam said the same thing about my m/b. Jam said something like "your m/b is crappy 400FsB outdated crap". Your explanation for everyting seems to be to lable it crap.

Sarosh

Dude, there's a 165+ post dedicated to this whole thing. Why do you insist to keep arguing about it? We think your hardware guy isn't good at all, so accept that. Move on with your life. If you don't find our advice helpful, go to another forum.

LOL...I'm only responding to you now because it's pure entertainment.

"Also, if my psu were to send a surge of high current/voltage to my card, the shouldnt the power cable burn up?"

I'm not gonna answer any of your stupid questions because when I give you the answer, you won't believe it. Go read how electricity works. You obviously haven't a clue!

"Tmp-Man: How did you get those readings?"

Had you actually read the links Jam provided in the last thread, you'd know how to get those ratings.

BYAH!

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Had you actually read the links Jam provided in the last thread, you'd know how to get those ratings.

And I had told you that I simply dont have time to read links, my friend. I got tons of other things to do which require my full attention. I simply dont have time and simply dont care one tiny bit for what the world wide web has to say about my psu.

Sarosh

"Tmp-Man: How did you get those readings?"

Can you even see there is a spec sheet attach on the power supply's side? Does yours not have one? Mine also come with a user's manual, does yours not have one? If both answer is no, then you have the cheapest power supply ever built...

TMP-Man

Asus P5P800-SE
P4 506 @ 4200Mhz 1.45v
Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5
1GB Corsair 2-3-3-5 DDR400
120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD
MSI 6600GT AGP 550/1150

"And I had told you that I simply dont have time to read links, my friend. I got tons of other things to do which require my full attention. I simply dont have time and simply dont care one tiny bit for what the world wide web has to say about my psu."

And yet you have time to triple post on this thread. How many times did you post in the last thread? Like 50 times? So no, you have plenty of time on your hands. In fact, too much time on your hands.

And we know you don't care to get good information. So off you go! Get back to those pressing issues that require your full attention!

"How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

Ha, too much emotions in here.
Anyway, I found a software program called Speed Fan 4.28.
I have taken readings with it. I have no idea whether they are good or bad, but I know they are well beyond the 5% tolerence limit, so save your comments on that.
http://sarosh.8m.com/images/voltages/

I thought jam said the readings on the label on my psu would be unreliable. But here they are anyway:
Voltage (240V-)
+3.3V - 20A (orange)
+12V - 10A (yellow)
-12V - 0.5A (blue)
Current (3A)
+5V - 20A (Red)
-5V - 0.5A (White)
+5VSB - 2A (Purple)
Frequency (50/60Hz)
Black -com-gnd
Green-Pson
Grey-PG

That is pretty much everything there is on the lable about voltages and stuff.

You can check out the readings I got from the software out here:
http://sarosh.8m.com/images/voltages/

Save the comments on the voltage fluctuations please, I know they are well beyond the 5% variation.
Glad to have helped.
Sarosh.

Sarosh

Maybe part of the problem is that you don't fully understand American terminology...or maybe "slang" would be a better word. The word "cheap" doesn't necessarily have to do with price. When we refer to your PSU as being "cheap", we are talking about the poor quality of the unit, not the cost. There are plenty of expensive PSUs out there that are poorly made. And these PSUs may be referred to as
"cheap, "crap", "garbage", "junk", or any number of terms, but it all basically means the same thing...they are poorly made products, regardless of the price.

As for hardware testing...does your hardware guy have all the electronic equipment (& the time) necessary to benchtest items for days on end? I doubt it. But there are numerous sites on line that are dedicated to testing & reviewing hardware...Tom's Hardware Guide is just one example. I know if I post a link, you won't bother to check it out, but maybe you'll read a few lines that I copy from their site:

"Our data is derived from six highly sensitive temperature sensors, five cameras, output meters of up to 4000 watts, a sound level measuring device with spectrum analysis of the audio bandwidth and six calibrated voltmeters as well as five ammeters."

"One huge problem with power supplies are deviations in the specifications. A power supply cannot always be loaded to full capacity under all types of conditions. While the ATX Power Supply Design Guide contains typical configurations for ou