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CS: Source and Frames Per Second

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Name: jb60606
Date: July 21, 2005 at 23:55:53 Pacific
OS: WindowsXP
CPU/Ram: 2.8/1GB
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I just purchased a BFG Geforce Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX OC today. Installed it, and applied the latest detonator drivers.

I configured the Nvidia Driver Settings in Windows to let the Anisotropic Filtering and Antialiasing settings be controlled by Half-Life2.

The following are my current settings for CS: Source, all of which were "recommended" for my system.

Reolution: 1280x1024 (LCD)
Antialiasing: None
Filtering Mode: Trilinear
Wait For Vertical Sync: Disabled
Shadow Detail: High
Water Detail: Reflect World
Texture Detail: High
Model Deatail: High
Shader Detail: High

While in game performance appears to be much better (I play on a 40+ person server where the lag can be absolutely unbearable at times, especially in intense situations while surrounded by many friends and foes), the FPS meter, net_graph 3, has me at around 50-60fps. This isn't much more than I achieved with my older 6600GT. I lowered the resolution, and other settings, and still, my FPS are well below 100fps, in the 50-60fps range.

Am I misinterpreting the output of net_graph 3, and are those numbers irrelevant in in-game play? Or does someone have any recommendations ?

Is there a benchmark utility out there that I can use to compare my 7800GT to others'?

Hardware:

OS: Windows XP SP2
RAM: 1GB DDR PC-3200 Geil Value RAM
CPU: Intel LGA775 Prescott - 2.8Ghz 1MB L2
Video: BFG Tech 7800GTX OC 256MB
Audio: Onboard 6.1ch
Hard Disk: Samsung 120GB SATA 150

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Response Number 1
Name: jb60606
Date: July 22, 2005 at 00:07:14 Pacific
Reply:

BTW, when I run the CS:Source Video Stress Test, I get an average of 106.27fps. Is this all that's important?

Thanks again.


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Response Number 2
Name: springy101
Date: July 22, 2005 at 19:05:30 Pacific
Reply:

dunno, thats pretty weird. i get 50-100 fps with my 5700.


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Response Number 3
Name: bmc2k7
Date: July 22, 2005 at 19:23:51 Pacific
Reply:

No way the 7800GTX can be that weak...My x800xl get 130Fps on those same settings and 110Fps at
Reolution: 1024x768
Antialiasing: X4
Filtering Mode: Anthriscopic X2
Wait For Vertical Sync: Disabled
Shadow Detail: High
Water Detail: Reflect World
Texture Detail: High
Model Deatail: High
Shader Detail: High

And 60-80Avg with vertical sync enabeled. I think the 7800GTX just isn't as well suited to this game if this continues. It probably won't truely shine until more advanced future applications come along.


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Response Number 4
Name: Dumb Geek (by bitboy)
Date: July 23, 2005 at 17:05:58 Pacific
Reply:

it happen, ur not the only one man, i have the same trouble. i have BFG geforce 6800 and i get less fps than you, man. i only get 11 to 30fps. i am still working on the problem, hopefully i will get the solution fast. but if i use back my old video card, which is Nvidia geforce fx 5950, i get 50-80fps average. so i think BFG cards are so-so, i would say the their technology is so-so. my BFG geforce 6800 only get 11-30 fps while my Nvidia Geforce 5950 gets 50-80.

P4 3.2GHZ
kingstone 1GB DDR 3200
ABIT AS8 mobo
Nvidia geforce 6800 128mb
Soundblaster 24-bit audigy 2
520W PSU


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Response Number 5
Name: Dumb Geek (by bitboy)
Date: July 23, 2005 at 17:08:14 Pacific
Reply:

but after i sold it and bought another brand of geforce 6800. hey, i get 70-99fps.

P4 3.2GHZ
kingstone 1GB DDR 3200
ABIT AS8 mobo
Nvidia geforce 6800 128mb
Soundblaster 24-bit audigy 2
520W PSU


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Response Number 6
Name: AzNLyFe
Date: July 23, 2005 at 22:38:41 Pacific
Reply:

u turned off vertical sync in the options menu for your video card in windows and not the game right? also 50-60 is the best u can really get you wont notice a difference at 60 and at 100 seriously...by the way the reason your x800XL does so good is because half-life 2 is based around the ATI engine. ATI cards can play considerably better on half-life 2.


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Response Number 7
Name: jb60606
Date: July 24, 2005 at 10:12:04 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for all the input guys.

Norman, I turned off vsync in windows and CS. The funny thing is, turning anything on or off has made little to no difference. Even adjusting the resolution CS plays in played little of a role.

I took the plunge and purchased 3dmark to see how my machine matched up against others. It was hard to find anyone in the results browser with an identical CPU, so I overclocked my cpu to 3Ghz, to level the playing field...

Man am I peaved I purchased an Intel CPU (or atleast this particular speed). While my video marks were relatively on par with others, I believe my CPU is dramatically holding back the potential of this video card.

I may possibly be switching to a AMD 64 X2 or 64 4000+ CPU in the future, and upping my RAM a little. This may seem silly, but when I put this machine together a month ago, my intentions were to build an above average gaming & A/V rig. I could just upgrade to a 3.6Ghz Intel, but the price differential isn't much, and for that much money, I might as well go 64-bit.


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Response Number 8
Name: jimmorrison
Date: July 24, 2005 at 22:38:08 Pacific
Reply:

mat_specular 0 will take the shine off the surfaces, and add some fps.

Your settings are way to high:

Reolution: 1024x768
Antialiasing: X4
Filtering Mode: Anthriscopic X2
Wait For Vertical Sync: Disabled
Shadow Detail: High
Water Detail: Reflect World
Texture Detail: High
Model Deatail: High
Shader Detail: High

the shader is the biggest kiler --> Put all your "Highs" to "low" except shadow detail (gotta know when someone hiding behind a box... ;) )

dont use antialiasing and antiscpoic stuff .. put it too the lowest in the menus

Make sure you have no crap running by the time on the taskbar, disable and exit them out.

just play round with it, you will find the groove. Unless your one of those people who beat off too graphics? personally, I go for performace


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Response Number 9
Name: jimmorrison
Date: July 24, 2005 at 23:31:50 Pacific
Reply:

HAd to comment, just saw you say you were gonna switch to AMD, I have just come from that road and I have a diferent opinion.

After coming from AMD XP / ATI to AMD 64 FX / Nvidia 6800GT (Asus A8n delux with corsair ram) to intel 3.4GHz / ATI x300 (intel 925x with dell ram) (thanks mum)... I will not go back to AMD for a while.

I cannot believe the personal comparison I have made between AMD and Intel... I got a second opinion from a gamers computing outfit that I respect, They said Games = Intel.


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Response Number 10
Name: jb60606
Date: July 25, 2005 at 23:38:44 Pacific
Reply:

Update:

I installed a beta driver from guru3d (forceware 80.40) and it did up my fps a bit. Im beginning to see FPS rise above the 100 barrier a bit, but for the most part still hovers between 60-80, and never dropping below 40.

Funny thing is, and as I have mentioned before, I can drop my video settings, including resolution to their lowest, and I'll still achieve around the same framerate. It may go a little higher, but fluctuates so badly it's hard to get a lock on any FPS range but the lowest.

Im satisfied playing CS with this performance, but will still upgrade because Battlefield2 (purchased over the weekend) struggles now and then :)


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Response Number 11
Name: jb60606
Date: July 25, 2005 at 23:43:29 Pacific
Reply:

btw, I wanted to ask, and this may be a shot in the dark; but can your power supply have a negative impact on the performance of your video card?

Im using an OCZ Modstream 450W PS to power the following:

PS: OCZ ModStream 450W
CPU: 2.8Ghz LGA775 Prescott
RAM: 1GB Geil Value Ram
HD1: 1xSamsung SATA 120GB
HD2: 1xMaxtor IDE 40GB
CD: One Plextor SATA DVD Burner
Cooling: 2x120MM Fans

Thanks for your help.


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Response Number 12
Name: moises221
Date: August 7, 2005 at 23:42:55 Pacific
Reply:

I read up this post and had to answer.

I was reading yesterday some of the sites that actually go under the skin on the New NVIDIA Chipsets and i found a big lead that would help this topic.

They mentioned that the 7800 chip would not be so different as far as being able to process too many more polygons per second as a 6800 but instead that it was based around shader processing, in outher words with a 7800 you would be able to play t a same rate as you would with a Geforce 6800 but be able to crank up those Video settings,

I interpreted this in this way: 7800 wont give ya UBER FPS but instead alow you to have UBER Graphics. So i think that actually turning off the "High Settings" would only make your game looks worse but not improve the actual Framerate.



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