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Name: badmagick
Date: November 5, 2005 at 02:58:55 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
OS: Windows XP Home edition
CPU/Ram: 3.0Ghz, 1024MB ram
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Hi

I'm about to buy a pc for gaming and someone suggest to me that i shud go for amd instead of intel if i'm gettin it for gaming. i've never used amd before and i have no idea what amd processor performs at what level. there's fx series there's x2..i assumed x2 was the best as it was the most expensive lol but can anyone help me with this a little? i'm gettin it built at www.pcspecialist.co.uk. my budget is 1000 pounds. if you could suggest what processor i shud get and what video card etc that'd be great. thanks


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Response Number 1
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: November 5, 2005 at 04:38:20 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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AMD is better for gaming than Intel. X2 are dual core, and as of right now, dual core won't help you in games.

Get a motherboard based on the Nforce 4 Ultra chipset and accepts socket 939 chips. The current best bang for the buck is the Athlon 64 3000/3200 with the Venice core. You'll be able to upgrade to the FX series or the X2 down the road with an Nforce4 Ultra motherboard.

Preferably, try to get a DFI brand board, particularly the LANParty Ultra-D or DR if you'd like to overclock.

As far as video cards go, it really depends on your budget.

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Response Number 2
Name: badmagick
Date: November 5, 2005 at 15:01:35 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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hmm.. They dont have the venice core in the FX series. They've got FX57 and FX55 sandiego with 1mb L2 cache 939 chips. Does it make a difference if I buy a venice core or a sandiego? (pardon my ignorance but i really dont know scratch about AMD :D) The best they have in the Venice core is the AMD Athlon 64bit 3800 with 512Kb L2 cache, 939 chips. Also how important is the cache size? I am buying this pc for heavy gaming so will the cache size be important? I was thinkin of getting a 256MB video card but then I read the discussion here about the 256MB video cards and now I'm not sure which one to get.. could you tell me what wud be the best ones I could get? I mean I dont wanna buy one and then have to change it after a few months cuz a heavier game came out uknow. Any suggestions? Dont worry about the budget with the video cards i'll rob a bank or something if it's too expensive :D


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: November 5, 2005 at 15:28:44 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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As heropsycho said, the best bang for your buck right now is the 3000+ or 3200+ Venice. The only difference between the Venice & SanDiego core is the L2 cache (512k vs 1MB). Consider the prices at newegg (US dollars):

3000+ Venice - $139
3200+ Venice - $152
3700+ San Diego - $233
FX55 San Diego - $811

I suppose you could make the argument to take the 3700+ over either the 3000+ or 3200+, but $811 for the FX is pretty hard to justify.

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Response Number 4
Name: badmagick
Date: November 6, 2005 at 08:55:06 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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I see what you mean. So if I pick the 3700 then or 4000.. Also I havent used AMD before so I dont really know what processor performs at what speed. Could you translate this into intel? like this wud be about 3.0Ghz? 2.4Ghz? And about the video card..any suggestions there?


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Response Number 5
Name: jam
Date: November 6, 2005 at 09:45:39 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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AMD's model numbers are comparable to P4 clock speed, so a 3000+ is equivilent to 3.0GHz P4, 3200+ is equivilent to 3.2GHz, etc

I didn't mention the 4000+ because of it's price - $334. That's $100 more for a mere 200MHz more clock speed...definitely not worth it.

A64 multipliers are "half locked"...that means you can lower them, but you can't raise them higher than the default. Generally, lowering them is what you wanna do anyway...that means you can raise the FSB without over-overclocking the CPU, & FSB is where the performance is. However, overclocking an A64 is more complicated than overclcoking a P4 or Athlon XP. The thing about the A64 is that it doesn't actually use a FSB, it uses a HyperTransport bus, which on the S939 runs at 1000MHz (2000MHz effective). The CPU has a base frequency setting of 200MHz & an HT multiplier of 5, but these can both be adjusted, along with the CPU multiplier.

Just as an example, let's say your CPU runs at 2200MHz (11 x 200MHz). You could raise the CPU frequency to 250MHz, lower the CPU multiplier to 10x...that would give you a CPU speed of 2500MHz, but you'd also have to lower the HT multipler to 4x to bring the HTT bus down to 1000MHz (250 x 4). But you'd still have memory settings to contend with as well.

Maybe these will help explain:

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=gethowto&howtoID=58

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2548&p=3

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Response Number 6
Name: badmagick
Date: November 6, 2005 at 10:13:16 Pacific
Subject: Buy an AMD for gaming
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Thanks. That does make it alot clearer. I'll check it out and ask you if I have any more questions.


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