"It was until Intel came out with Core 2 Duo which pretty much beats the current AMD processors hands down in 3/4 of the test." Try EVERY test. Core 2 Duo's are bad to the bone. The issue is availability. Don't expect it them to be available to people like us until Q3/early Q4. Large system builders like Dell and HP are going to buy the vast majority of the initial ones up. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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"Try EVERY test. Core 2 Duo's are bad to the bone." Well you are talking in one area Core 2 Duos don't fair as well in 64bit mode or in some cases nearly as well as they do in 32bit mode. That's where AMD 64 processors gain 10 and in some cases 15% more ground in 64bit mode on the Core 2 Duo. So the lead shrinks in that area, thus is why I said 3/4 of the time. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ OC 2.7ghz 2GB Dual Channel DDR 3200 Nvidia 7900GT SATA II 2x 200gig 7200rpm 16mb cache RAID-0 Gigabyte Nforce 4 SLI

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You guys are being very helpfull thanks a lot. However, "Get an Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 processor" If these are so good then yes I would want to get it but is it out or not? If so what sight can I go on to get it or what store would have if its not out what would be the next best thing?

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Oh ya and is there anything I can salvage from my old computer? Its a compaq presario 5000 heres the info Duron-900 CPU, 128MB of SDRAM, 64KB L2 cache, Windows Me, 40GB hard drive, 16X DVD-ROM drive, 12X/4X/32X CD-RW drive, Compaq NVidia GeForce2 MX graphics card with 32MB of SDRAM,

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40 gig hard drive can be used but a sata 1 would be better. The DVD-Rom can be used as a second drive but everything elses is Toast! TJ297 All Prices are in Auzzie Dollars =D AMD 3800+ 2 Gig RAM Nvidia 7800GT Thermaltake 430w PSU Antec LAN-boy Case Onboard Sound WOOOOT Surprisingly not bad :p

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"If these are so good then yes I would want to get it but is it out or not?" Like I said, you probably won't be able to get your hands on one until late Q3/early Q4. If you want to wait that long, that's your call. "if its not out what would be the next best thing?" Athlon 64 X2's. The X2 4400 would be the most powerful processor you can get for a reasonable price ($250). However, remember that most games don't take advantage of dual core today, but they increasingly will tomorrow. Still, you may want to consider the Athlon 64 3700 San Diego for $109. Personally, I'd try to get the X2 4400 between those two, but your call. If your budget only allows you either the 7900GT video card OR the X2 4400, you'd be much better off with a better video card. There's a tendency for people to put way too much priority on the CPU. Graphics cards have far more effect on game performance. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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Some interesting about the Core 2 Duo and that is when running single threaded apps the cpu disables one part of the multi-threaded cache and uses the cpu like a single core. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ OC 2.7ghz 2GB Dual Channel DDR 3200 Nvidia 7900GT SATA II 2x 200gig 7200rpm 16mb cache RAID-0 Gigabyte Nforce 4 SLI

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ummmm lol sorry whats Q3 Q4

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ewwwww both of you you need a P4-3 1 gig ram OK Asus Sli motherboard (Ai Lifestyle gaming) that supports pci express ATI Radeon x300 se Hypermemory 512MB PCI-E A good video card like this with 512MB of onboard memory! WOW!! Just what we need for top end games! RIGHT? Now this setup will run BF2 great on medium, with 50-60 FPS! lol With a geforce 6600gt (only 128MB) or an ATI x800(256MB) you'll get low frame rates on these settings, meaning game play will freeze, lag and be choppy. Video Memory is logical isn't it? The more the merrier! The better the graphics! The faster the gameplay! lol P4 D - 2.66GHz 1024MB DDR2 RAM ASUS A8N-SLI Motherboard Gigabyte Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra 256MB PCI-E Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum 2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB

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I don't even know what you're trying to say, but I'm pretty sure it's not helpful. He doesn't need an SLI motherboard, and there are better SLI boards that cost less than that Asus. "ummmm lol sorry whats Q3 Q4" Third/fourth quarter of the year. Think somewhere late in September or October. "How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

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Ok So theres two things im going to want for my computer it has to be intel compatable so I can get the core2 Duo. And it has to be vista compatable So far this is what I have Hard drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033 Mother board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131028 I need to find a good proccesor that is under $200

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AMD processor based computers run everything an Intel processor based computers. Both companies make processors completely compatible with Windows Vista. What I'm saying is don't discount AMD because you think there are compatibility issues. If you want to wait for the Core 2 Duo, hey, whatever floats your boat. Expect late Sept./October before you're gonna be able to get one. If you want the PC built now, your best value is without a doubt AMD. "How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

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"ATI Radeon x300 se Hypermemory 512MB PCI-E A good video card like this with 512MB of onboard memory! WOW!! Just what we need for top end games!" Talon, Are you being sarcastic or are you that clueless when it comes to video cards? The X300SE is only marginally better than onboard video & is not a good gaming card. It wouldn't matter if it had 1024MB memory...the "geforce 6600gt (only 128MB) or an ATI x800(256MB)" will kick the crap out of it!

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Ok so then what should I get For the AMD Motherboard and graphics card?

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DFI Infinity NForce4 Ultra is a good motherboard that's not expensive (under $90). For a graphics card... "I would look closely at the 7600GT, the 7900GT, and the ATI X1800XT." Take care of the graphics card first before getting a nicer processor, as I stated before. "How many squirrels had to die to make you look fly?!"

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Ok so here we go I think Im starting to get everything now heres what I got Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145018 Hard drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136033 Processor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103547 Graphics http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150139 And Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131540 Now what type of case, fan, and power supply should I have?

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XMS is a rip off, and you should have two sticks anyway for dual channel... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146883 Or better yet, go ahead and get 2GB's... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227066 Raptors are not cost effective, and the performance increase in games is marginal. Besides, these seagate drives nearly meet their performance. Why that hard drive when you can get one >4x more capacity at about half the price?! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140 4200 x2 only has 512K per core. Get one with 1M per core... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103546 (www.zipzoomfly.com has it for $15 less) Better deal on a video card... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130032 You don't need to spend $150 on an SLI mobo unless you want to overclock like mad... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136164 If you want to spend $150, go with the DFI LanParty motherboard. Power supply... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153029 There's a combo deal on a Thermaltake case with that PSU, but whatever you want on a case. Just make sure it's ATX with a few places for case fans. Fill those spots up with case fans. Retail boxed CPU comes with it's own heatsink and fan. Don't forget a DVD burner (Lite On $40), Floppy drive for emergencies or flashing BIOS, etc. ($12), an OS if you don't have one already ($90 for XP Home), and that should cover it... Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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"Like I said, you probably won't be able to get your hands on one until late Q3/early Q4. If you want to wait that long, that's your call." Are we all on the same internet? AFAIK you can already get these CPUs right now (a few etailers have 'em in stock) especially the entry level E6300 & E6400, the kicker it at all is - you may have to pay about $40.00 (after shipping) over Intel's announced prices per processor. The internet is a series of tubes!

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Ok I basicly changed everything I had based on Herophyco Graphics Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150141 Memory http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146883 Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140 Power supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817153029 MotherBoard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136157 I kept the processor the same Would I need a bigger Power supply? I really need help finding fan, power supply and case. Because I dont really know anything about them And would this computer be vista capable?

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"Are we all on the same internet?" I haven't seen them from any reputable vendor, but by all means share! :-) Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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oh ya and I need a backup Harddrive how many gb do people usually get for those?

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You don't need as big an external as backup as what you have for an internal hard drive since backup software will compress the data. Would suggest using NTBackup. You can install it using your XP home CD. It's under VALUEADD\MSFT\NTBACKUP on the CD. Good deal on one... http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?ref=39&loc=01&categoryid=pcmcat33200050002&id=1134698030419&skuid=7643053&type=product&ref=&loc= Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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Core 2 Duo E6300 "In Stock" ATM per Pricegrabber from the following etailers: 0. xPCgear.com 1. E World Sale 2. mwave 3. SpaceCenter Systems 4. Club IT 5. ZipZoomfly Note: The E6400 on the other hand, is only listed as "In Stock" with the first four sellers from above.

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Intel® Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe Processor 1.86GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 2MB Cache Retail ***Free Shipping*** Pre-Order Only. Delivery Date: August 7th, 2006 So no guarantee on zipzoomfly... SpaceCenter Systems I'd NEVER order from again after a fiasco I had with them... mwave shows it in stock. So hey, if they can fill the order no reason not to go Core 2 Duo! Many reputable hardware sites indicated it would be very hard to get your hands on them, so absolutely don't wait! Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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ok I guess Im goin back to Intel :P God this Might take longer then I thought Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150141 Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817165004 Hard Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144414 Mother Board http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127004 Processor http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA22887 Its late Im tired im hitin the hey tell me if I made a compatability mistake. or if its not vista compatable

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There's NO WAY that PSU is a true 630W. Go back to the thermaltake I recommended earlier! Go with the 7900GT! The video card is far more important than the processor for gaming. Why are you jipping yourself on the hard drive? The 320gig drive I referenced to you before is faster, more reliable, and twice the capacity for less than double the price. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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why buy such a processor? Its useless for gaming! sorry but its just a waste of money! go with AMD. Video card is fine if on a budget, there's really no need for a 7900GT unless youre a hardcore gamer. Motherboard, Abit is horrendous! For that kind of money, even less probably, you could buy an ASUS! And don't buy that power supply! That is an el-cheapo power supply. A normal 630W would cost $200 not $28!!! Bigger is not neccessarily better! With a generic power supply like that you could be putting your whole system at risk. Go with a normal case and a 400W power supply included like from Thermaltake. Hard disk is also barely adequate. sorry, we're not in kansas anymore, :D))pardon the bad pun. 120gig just doesnt cut it in 2006. maybe in 2003.... Be careful. P4 D - 2.66GHz 1024MB DDR2 RAM ASUS A8N-SLI Motherboard Gigabyte Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra 256MB PCI-E Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum 2x Western Digital Raptor 74GB

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"why buy such a processor? Its useless for gaming! sorry but its just a waste of money! go with AMD." Talon, go look at benchmarks of the Core 2 Duo! That processor is under $200, and gives even the FX-62 a run for it's money. I don't mean to keep nailing you, but stop trying to help people when you clearly are not up to speed on this stuff. It doesn't do any good, and it makes me feel bad when I have to tear your argument to shreds. :-/ "Video card is fine if on a budget, there's really no need for a 7900GT unless youre a hardcore gamer." I wouldn't say I'm a hardcore gamer, and I thoroughly enjoy my 7800GT. While I don't advocate spending $300+ on a video card, the fact is the video card is far more important for game play than the processor. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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Spend all your money on a screen (20" +), it's the only thing that won't be half the price in 3 days. +Gigabyte m/b Seagate HDD (SATA) Crucial RAM (1GIG) AMD 64 3500+ (or higher) nVidia 7600GT or 7900GT Antec Case 450W PSU Sorted

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