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Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money

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Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 2, 2007 at 18:39:50 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
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Comment:
What would you guys say the best PCIe 16x GFX card for the money is?

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/12...

Since I'm building a new computer I was looking at the PNY GeForce 7600GS video card and was wondering if anyone had some current or previous ownership and point out some highlights OR just recommend a better card for the money?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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Response Number 1
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 2, 2007 at 19:47:10 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
I think you're shooting yourself in the foot to not at least get something like this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

I bought a 7600GS simply for my wife's system to be able to run Aeroglass GUI in Vista when the time comes to upgrade to that OS, but I also got the card for $50 on a good deal. I would not recommend it for someone playing their fair share of games.

Your video card is the most important component as far as performance goes in most games. A freaking Celeron D with a 7900GT for example would blow the pants off a Core 2 Duo if it were equipped with a 7600GS in most of today's games. I'm not advocating a Celeron D; I'm just illustrating how important the video card is.

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Response Number 2
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 2, 2007 at 19:59:49 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Thanks for that.. And I was looking at the 7600GT and a x1800GTO or PRO and I couldn't decide whether it was worth it. And NO WAY IN HELL am I buying a Celeron anything. When I first heard the name Celeron I though to myself... Hmm.. Sounds cheap. And I was right. I mean... MAYBE I might buy a Celeron if I was just going to do basic computer tasks. Nothing really special.

So. Yeah..


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: January 2, 2007 at 20:32:59 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/12...

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Response Number 4
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 2, 2007 at 21:23:04 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Yeah uhm. I already posted that.. >,<.

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Response Number 5
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 3, 2007 at 01:26:22 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
"And NO WAY IN HELL am I buying a Celeron anything."

You do realize the 7600GS could be considered the Celeron of video cards, right?

Also, keep in mind a name is just a name. If it sounds cheap, it doesn't mean it is. There used to be a time when Celeron was actually the best processor for the buck. Back when the Celeron 300A was released, it performed exceptionally well compared to any AMD processor at the time, held it's own decently against the massively higher priced Pentium II's, and arguably was the chip that really made overclocking mainstream.

While that may not be true today, it could be true down the road. Keep an open mind.

Regardless, read what I said again about putting the right video card on even as weak as a Celeron D processor. If you're spending big time money on a processor, but you're spending this little on a graphics card, if your goal is gaming, your priorities are wrong.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"


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Response Number 6
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 3, 2007 at 22:26:30 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Eh... Will I score decent FPS with an overclocked Pentium D 805 [It has great ability to overclock,] 1 gig of Patriot Signature DDR2 667 RAM and an eVGA GeForce 7600GT?

Oh... I'm also on an ASUS P5L-VM 1394 Motherboard if that helps any. Is that a decent board for overclocking?


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Response Number 7
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 3, 2007 at 22:28:10 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Oh right. I'm interested in playing basically any modern PC game of today. Half-Life 2, Battlefield 2, Quake 4 or whatever. =D.

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Response Number 8
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 4, 2007 at 05:24:56 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Even the 7600GT will still be a bottleneck. It would perform fine in Half Life 2, but would not be nearly as fast in BF2 or Quake4.

I don't really know what you think is "decent".

Look up benchmarks of the 7600GT to give yourself a realistic idea of the performance you're gonna get.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"


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Response Number 9
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 4, 2007 at 19:38:24 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
The 7600GT isn't even supported by BF2. The highest GeForce card that's supported is the GeForce 6800 cards. 7600GT surpasses that. And decent FPS for me is about 40-60 FPS with little degradation. So 40-60 FPS in heavily detailed areas. And the 7600GT is... Wow.. mid-low-range video card. Shocks me. >,<. Well... I'm gonna shoot for the 7900GT anyways. It was recommended to me. And is there a URL where you can like... choose computer components and choose benchmarks to test? That'd be pretty sweet.

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Response Number 10
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 4, 2007 at 20:36:44 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
"The 7600GT isn't even supported by BF2. The highest GeForce card that's supported is the GeForce 6800 cards."

Uhh, no.

"Official system requirements

* Windows XP (32-bit) with Admin rights
* 1.7 GHz Intel Celeron D / Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon XP/ Sempron or greater
* 512 MB of RAM or more
* 8x or faster CD/DVD drive
* 2.3 GB free hard drive space or more
* Video: DirectX 9.0c compatible, must have 128 MB or more memory, be AGP or PCI-E, and one of the following chipsets:
o NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 *or greater*
o ATI Radeon 8500 or greater
* Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible (Sound Blaster X-Fi series recommended)
* Multiplayer requires 1 set of discs per PC and a broadband (Cable, DSL, or a faster) connection.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"


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Response Number 11
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 4, 2007 at 21:01:44 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
- Operating System
Windows XP (32 Bit Version)

- CPU
Battlefield 2 supports the following processors:
Intel Pentium 4
Intel Xeon
Intel Pentium Extreme Edition
Intel Celeron D
AMD Athlon XP
AMD Athlon 64
AMD Athlon 64-FX
AMD Sempron processor

- Minimum Specification:
CPU: 1.7 Ghz
RAM: 512 Mb
Video Card: NVidia GeForce FX 5700, ATI Radeon 8500 or ATI Radeon 9500
with 128 Mb of RAM

- Recommended Specification:
CPU: 2.4 Ghz
RAM: 1 Gb
Video Card with at least 256 Mb of RAM

- Video Cards
Battlefield 2 only supports the following video cards:
Radeon X700 (PCIe)
Radeon X600 (PCIe)
GeForce 6600 (PCIe)
GeForce PCX 5900 (PCIe)
GeForce 5800 Series (AGP)
ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition
ATI Radeon X800 PRO
ATI Radeon 9800 Series
ATI Radeon 9600 Series
ATI Radeon 9550 (RV350LX)
ATI Radeon 9500 / 9700 Series
ATI Radeon 8500 Series
ATI Radeon X300 Series
NVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra
NVidia GeForce 6800 GT
NVidia GeForce 6800
NVidia GeForce FX 5950 Series
NVidia GeForce FX 5900 Series
NVidia GeForce FX 5700 Series



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Response Number 12
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 4, 2007 at 21:16:05 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
It would help if we knew where you got that. And it still doesn't change the fact that they said FX5700 or greater NVidia card, which means a 7900GT is obviously supported.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"


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Response Number 13
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 4, 2007 at 21:27:49 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
It was this article-http://www.computing.net/gaming/wwwboard/forum/4658.html

The second poster said he copied it off of the readme.txt in the game directory.


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Response Number 14
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: January 4, 2007 at 23:13:19 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
I got mine straight from EA, and it's what is posted on the box of the game. I'd put far more faith in that.

"Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion!
Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution!
The ripple effect is too good not to mention.
If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"


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Response Number 15
Name: Reverend Buddy (by reverendbuddy19)
Date: January 5, 2007 at 21:00:02 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
Mmk. Well. According to the comments in this [http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield2/video_player.html?id=J3ViljP85bgMuD7c] video the player is using a GeForce 6800XTreme 256mb and he is handling it well.

If you watch it ignore the first 15 seconds.. that's another game I think.

But still. Anyways.

So. Should I shoot for the 7900GT?


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Response Number 16
Name: Michael J (by mjdamato)
Date: January 8, 2007 at 08:31:34 Pacific
Subject: Best PCI-Express 16x card for money
Reply: (edit)
reverendbuddy19,

Those were the supported video cards at the time the game was released. There were newer, and better, video cards produced since that time. Do you expect EA to update their system specs every time a new card is produced?

Michael J


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