Since when is saying go look at benchmarks "shoving AMD CPU's down your throat"? The last thing I need is someone acting rude when I try to help them. I really don't for the life of me how people like you can ask for help, then get pissed when someone gives you info. If you don't like it, just shut up and don't take the advice. And if you know so much, why on earth come here and ask for advice?! Thanks btw for some entertainment. In the last 24 hours, I've been accused of being an Intel AND AMD fanboy now. COOL! Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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i never said you had to reply that's your choice.i put my pc specs as "intel specs *Not* amd specs,i didn't ask for suggestions with amd.i like intel *Not* amd. firewire6587

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"i never said you had to reply that's your choice." RIGHT! Why did I reply? To help you out. I have absolutely nothing to gain by giving you advice. I don't own stock in any hardware company, nor do I work for one. So here's a thought: I don't even care if you show a bit of appreciation for me taking the time to give you advice. All I'm saying is if you don't like the advice, just don't take the advice. It's easier than acting like a jerk! "i put my pc specs as "intel specs *Not* amd specs" Umm, I've used both. Just because my current rig uses AMD now, it doesn't mean it's next CPU will be AMD. You are obviously set on Intel, but how was I to know that you were closeminded? Stupid me gave you the benefit of the doubt. "i like intel *Not* amd." So get off your butt and pick out Intel hardware yourself. "Christmas and the New Year are actually two holidays.... I suppose you could say 'Merry Christmas' and 'Happy New Year,' but you probably have sh!t to do." --Jon Stewart, on saying "Happy Holidays"

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well me being a consumer i care about where my money goes,i like for my money to go a long way,when it comes to the best parts possible for whatever setup i may need. but why is it everyone refers me to amd,i've been using intel a long time,i've never had any problems with intel's cpu's. maybe you're right i might be closeminded,but i've never even considered giving amd a chance. firewire6587

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so you've been accused of being a amd fanboy ? i wouldn't doubt that one bit that's just hilarious :)) if you see my specs are intel specs why bother asking about "amd" lol firewire6587

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"so you've been accused of being a amd fanboy ?" Dude, YOU accused me. That's who I was referring to. And I was accused in another thread by someone else of being an Intel fanboy because I dared to suggest a $200 X800 GTO was overkill for an Athlon XP 3000. I call 'em like I see 'em, period. "if you see my specs are intel specs why bother asking about "amd" lol" I own an AMD setup currently. Does it mean my next CPU will be AMD? NO! I've owned Intel and AMD CPU's (ATI and Nvidia graphics cards, too), so what your current CPU is doesn't mean you always buy that CPU. Had I known you were allergic to AMD CPU's, I wouldn't have bothered recommending one. I just gave the best recommendation objectively. "but why is it everyone refers me to amd" I don't recommend AMD because it's AMD. I recommend the best CPU for the application that will be run. Currently, that is AMD for gaming. You may see now many people recommending AMD to you. Some may because they love AMD CPU's for the same reasons you love Intel CPU's. I don't do that. I have no loyalties to either brand. Intel makes good CPU's, and so does AMD. However, all benchmarks, independent reviews that I've read give AMD a significant performance advantage over Intel for gaming. My own personal benchmarks further demonstrated this as well. That is probably also why people recommend AMD to you as well, as I am. Don't just take my word for it. Go look at CPU comparisons in games between AMD and Intel. www.tomshardware.com www.anandtech.com And many more all say the exact same thing. "i've been using intel a long time,i've never had any problems with intel's cpu's." If you continue to use Intel CPU's, you won't encounter problems, either. Both companies make fine CPU's. But you will undoubtedly get significantly better performance with AMD across a majority of applications, especially games currently. I'm not saying Intel is bad. I'm saying Intel is good, and AMD is even better. "i've never even considered giving amd a chance." Why wouldn't you? Hey, Intel makes solid products, don't get me wrong. But why would you not investigate the possibility of an equally solid product that performs better and costs less? Like I said, I encourage you to NOT take my word for it. Read independent sources for yourself! The point is get informed so you get the best performance you can for your money. Does that sound like a fanboy? "Christmas and the New Year are actually two holidays.... I suppose you could say 'Merry Christmas' and 'Happy New Year,' but you probably have sh!t to do." --Jon Stewart, on saying "Happy Holidays"

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"I'm not saying Intel is bad. I'm saying Intel is good, and AMD is even better." that comment sounds to me like someone favors amd more than the intel cpu's firewire6587

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Since you won't look anything up, let's take a look. Make sure you look at the benchmarks... OpenGL game performance: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page24.html "Thirteen of AMD's CPUs are able to take a comfortable lead over their Intel counterparts." DirectX 8: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page28.html "The obvious conclusion is that Intel CPUs are not really recommended for this game, as 24 AMD CPUs come out ahead here." DirectX 9: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page29.html "Again, AMD demonstrates its dominance in the gaming world." Half Life 2 Performance: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=2 "Don't look any further than AMD for the best gaming CPU, and Half Life 2 further cements AMD's reputation as the gamer's CPU." Quake 4: You can just read it this time. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/quake_4_cpu_performance/ Don't mean to spoil the ending, but AMD wins there, too. Just in case you want to make the argument that you want to do more than just game, let's look at other non gaming benchmarks... Video encoding: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page32.html "AMD takes a clear lead with its dual-core models; Intel has to cede its traditional first place in this discipline to AMD." Audio encoding: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page37.html "an AMD processor is the best choice for this task." Data compression tasks: "Here, AMD's better CPU architecture really pays off." Media conversion: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page40.html "Once again, AMD is able to snatch the encoding crown from Intel." Multithreaded apps: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page41.html "AMD's fastest CPU completes this benchmark over a minute quicker than Intel's Extreme Edition 840." Professional 3d rendering: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page43.html "Again we see AMD's dual-core technology trump that of its competitor." Notably, Intel did win a few of the non gaming, but the majority of those benchmarks are still won by AMD, especially actual application benchmarks instead of the synthetic ones. However, not a single gaming benchmark in the lot was won by an Intel CPU. So let me get this straight - you're actually claiming I'm biased for saying AMD's perform better than Intel's in gaming when benchmarks from three reputable, objective, and unrelated sites all the say the same thing on five different games? That said, go buy your Intel CPU if you want, I can show you the fountain, but I can't make you drink the water. "Christmas and the New Year are actually two holidays.... I suppose you could say 'Merry Christmas' and 'Happy New Year,' but you probably have sh!t to do." --Jon Stewart, on saying "Happy Holidays"

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my problem is i'm too close minded when it comes to any type of cpu's other than intel's i've been buying them for a very long time,no problems so far,i've heard many issues about amd's ovetheating though. firewire6587

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AMD CPU's currently run cooler than Intel CPU's by a long shot. http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/11/21/the_mother_of_all_cpu_charts_2005/page4.html Since AMD Athlon 64's can perform as well or better at significantly lower clock speeds, and due to their recent improvements to reduce power consumption while maintaining performance, when it comes to which CPU generates less heat and overheats less, AMD is clearly superior. AMD's overheating was an issue with the prior Athlon XP gen CPU's. And the problem was not that they were prone to overheating, but that they really didn't have protection against overheating should that happen, where as Intel did at the time. Fast forward to today, and Intel has actually faced more overheating issues. Some Intel CPU's run at 70C, and this is accepted as normal. My Athlon 64 3000, which runs stock at 1.8GHz, is currently overclocked to 2.5GHZ, using the plain vanilla retail boxed cooler, and runs a mere 33C under load. Again, go read up, you have a very distorted view of both AMD and Intel CPU's of today. Please help survivors of Hurricane Katrina! www.redcross.org

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ok the input for the amd benchmark tests were enough. you say i have a very distorted view of amd and intel,i don't keep up on benchmarks as much as you do,i don't need to do that to be informed i know quite a few techs that help me with whatever i may need to know it's not that i'm not willing to do it myself,it's just that i have a very busy schedule,and it's not very easy to keep up with benchmarks and cpu competitions. firewire6587

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"you say i have a very distorted view of amd and intel" You do! You had three major misconceptions of Intel and AMD CPU's: A. Intel performs better than AMD in gaming. B. Current AMD CPU's have been plagued by overheating. C. Intel has not had overheating problems recently. "i don't need to do that to be informed i know quite a few techs that help me with whatever i may need to know" Umm, your tech friends at work may not have the right information, either. There's a co-worker of mine who swore his Intel rig would beat mine in benchmarks until we compared. His logic was since his P4 CPU is clocked at 3.2GHz, there's no way my Athlon 64 3000 that clocks at 1.8GHz could compete. WHOOPS! We're both network engineers. :-) "i don't keep up on benchmarks as much as you do" "it's not very easy to keep up with benchmarks and cpu competitions." Why did you suggest that I was biased instead of admitting you didn't know? "Christmas and the New Year are actually two holidays.... I suppose you could say 'Merry Christmas' and 'Happy New Year,' but you probably have sh!t to do." --Jon Stewart, on saying "Happy Holidays"

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because a lot of people are biased nowadays a lot of people go with amd,a lot of people go with intel,people bash amd,people bash intel,i wanna go with amd now i would say,i should've realized this a few years back,but then again i've been using intel all this time,i never heard about amd,until people started telling me about how well they performed,and how much better they performed than intel.all it boils down to anymore is what you want the cpu to do,what tasks it needs to perform.i don't know a lot about amd's cpu's at all,i'm gonna start learning more about them to make wiser decisions. firewire6587

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Anyway, getting back to the topic I have Amd 3000+ 512 meg ram (soon to be 2Gig) and a radeon 96OOxt i'm not looking at updating mboar to socket 939 with pci-e yet What is the best agp videocard card money can buy????

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