What's the deal with expensive cases anyway? I bought one of these: http://www.super-flower.com.tw/english/sf-702t1-bk.htm from here: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1200441947&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=56708 for a mere £16.44 without a PSU I can't stand those Thermaltake Xaser cases because they look like some kind of 20 year-old prop from star trek and still cost £82.24 without a PSU?? Nothing cooling-wise on a cheap case that a bit of TLC with a few power tools and a couple of aftermarket fans can't fix. AMD Athlon XP2200+ Aero7 lite 512mb Crucial pc2700 Abit NF7-s V2.0 80GB Seagate SATA 120GB Seagate SATA Geforce4 Ti4200 128mb Benq FP767-12 17" 12ms SB live 5.1 Digital

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RAIDMax is hit or miss. I've had friends that bought them and they worked great, and friends that the power supply died in a month, and some that just wouldn't run athlons. The amps on the 12V rails seem to be related, not necessarily because it needs that, but they seem to be more reliable in general. That's why I didn't necessarily mean to buy a different brand case. 9700 Pros are SLIGHTLY faster than 9800 non pros. There is a wider gap though between the 9700 Pro and the 9800 Pro obviously in the 9800's favor. If you shop right, the 9800 pros can add a bit more value in that many today seem to overclock well beyond 9800 Pro or even XT speeds. Something to consider. You can get a 9800 Pro for around $195. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-127-127&depa=0 Check out the game bundle on that one...might be worth it to you for that alone... http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-127-127-10.JPG Snoopy, think about all the time you spend to do that stuff, the extra money you spend as well to get the fans, etc. needed to mod, and those other high end cases begin to be a bit more attractive. Not saying you're wrong, but some people don't care to do that kind of thing. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Thank you for the responses, Hey Heropsycho I would just put a PS in the tower if it fails, I was really looking for a decent looking tower,and i think the Raidmax looks ok. Im not sure how much money i will have for a video card, so therefore i will have to use my old one for COD. Its not that good of a card but i think it will play COD. 5200 ultra,does anyone know if it will play COD till i get a new card? Thank you much Heropsycho for the info on the 9700, and yes the tower does have a 12v in it.

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It HAS to have a 12V rail! What's the amps on it though?! You can get a good looking case and a decent power supply in it. Check out the Aspire cases on newegg.com. Much better luck with the power supplies in there, because the amps are usually 18 on the 12V. If you need to save money, consider a 9600 Pro, XT, or 9800 SE. If you're the gambling type, newegg sells a powercolor 9800SE that supposedly softmods rather easily to a 9800 Pro for $119. Even if it doesn't work, it will kick the crap out of a 5200 Ultra. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Kindbud27: This 9800 Pro can be yours for just $163.00, it does not get any better as always with Newegg!!!. ____________________________ The greatest risk is not taking one

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That's obviously a refurb. If you're ok with that risk, go for it. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Kindbud27: Well the card is gone now, those deals do no stay very long on Neweggs refurb section, if you are lucky you might be able to catch another one @ a later time. hero: Personally with Newegg, the risk is minimal because it is calculated, can't say that for some other retailers though. There are several unscrupulous retailers that repackage and sell returned hardware as new and more often get away with it because the buyer never finds out so long as the components worked great. With Newegg it is an open secret the best deals on graphic cards are from the refurb section, but they do have a big disclaimer. Newegg.com does not test any product, including refurbished items. Refurbished components are therefore only tested by the original manufacturer. Due to the varying quality of manufacturer testing, YOU ARE TAKING A RISK BUYING REFURBISHED PRODUCTS. Refurbished items are OPEN BOX products that contain components that have previously been owned by other clients and returned to Newegg.com. These products are sold considerably under cost. ____________________________ The greatest risk is not taking one

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I have looked at that, and the only thing that scares me is states the item was returned. Was it returned because of something wrong with it or maybe they just upgraded their video card. I would like a 9800 pro, I was a geforce man but got lost in the times of the new cards. Is geforce still any good? what geforce would be comparible to the 9800 pro. Also i heard bad things about 9800 pro 128 bit, is there something wrong with some 9800? there is alot of different 9800. Sorry for all the ?

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Between $100-250, ATI makes the better product. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Thank you much for the post, if you see a deal on ATI 9800 pro 256 bit could you please post it? thank you much and have a great night.

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