I got to say once again I really don't see the point in spending $150 on a video card. WIth your system, especially if your P4 isn't an 800MHz bus variant, your processor will bottleneck either graphics card. If you're gonna go with one, the 7800GS looks like the better deal, but I wouldn't honestly go with either one. I'd recommend more of something like this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... Significantly cheaper. Why plop $150 down on a card that your system can't push to its full potential anyway, and you're going to be replacing it in a year to boot? As for the power supply, I'd look at a Thermaltake instead. TECH-NO-LOGICAL ROMANCE! http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs12.html

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yea i was lookin that up about 2 weeks ago they said that the 7600 GT was better than the X1650 pro but for my system you said it should get this card and i will do so but is this the best card out there or are there better ones to consider on purchasing?

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The other cards are faster, but at $50 more, and your system can't keep up. It's not a question which card is faster. It's a question of what is the best value for your system. TECH-NO-LOGICAL ROMANCE! http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs12.html

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so whats the difference between the x1650 the x1650 pro II amd the x1650 pro II turbo ...i personally think the turbo ones better but since hero has been a great help i would love to hear ur insight about out of those 3 which will be the one i choose P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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I'm not familiar with every manufacturers' variant of the card. I will say I wouldn't pay any big premium between the cards. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion! Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution! The ripple effect is too good not to mention. If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

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so with that card the x1650 pro i should be straight on running Graw at 1024x768 at high settings :| i just want it enjoy able cuz i know i wont be able to make it blistering stream line P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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You probably won't be able to do that no matter what video card you get. Your processor is not particularly fast, and you only have 1GB of RAM. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion! Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution! The ripple effect is too good not to mention. If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

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does it matter if i get the one u told me to get or the HIS brand with the Turbo cooling :\ i think its the same thing but i already bought a 500 watt psu so now i need to figure out if the $109 X1650 Pro the one u told me to get is either better or worse than the HIS Radeon X01650 Pro II Turbo ..(im sorry im being a pest but i want the best for my old AGP system befor i convert to PCI-E) P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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It's probably not gonna matter. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion! Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution! The ripple effect is too good not to mention. If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

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Since your CPU and FSB is going to be bottleneck, then getting a turbo or standard edition of x1650 won't matter much... But I would pick the one with the quietest cooler... TMP-Man Asus P5P800 PAT P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5 2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400 120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD Leadtek 7600 AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

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:( i just want a good AGP for my system so i can play graw :( not too much to ask for right? but the thing is finding one that will work with out holding back any of its potenial P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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The best video card that fits your system would be radeon 9800 pro which you can find it on ebay for a low price... TMP-Man Asus P5P800 PAT P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5 2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400 120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD Leadtek 7600 AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

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are u kidding me :| i have a 9600 pro now :| ur telling me with my system all i can do to upgrade it is a 9800 pro :\ this sucks :| cant upgrade to pci-e till next year :( P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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You can upgrade to an radeon x1950pro agp, but you just can't use its full potential, so why bother to waste extra money on something you don't need? If you are going to play games at 1600x1200 max FSAA + AA, then getting the best AGP card makes sense given these conditions more limited by the GPU not the CPU. If you are going to play games at mid setting 1024x768, then CPU does matter more... So if video card #1 cost $50-70, video card #2 cost $100-$120 and perform the same under 1024x768 since it is bottleneck by your CPU/FSB, then is it justified to spend almost double the amount to get the same result? TMP-Man Asus P5P800 PAT P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5 2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400 120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD Leadtek 7600 AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

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this is indeed true and i get your point but with a 9800 pro will i be able to enjoy Ghost Recon advandce warfigher ? P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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I don't know...the 9800Pro only has 128mb of vram...pretty small by today's standards. I truly believe that the X1650Pro is a much better choice. A 9800Pro would limit your gaming experience long before your 2.8GHz CPU could. Pentium III--Descendant of Intel Core. Pentium III-S 1400 @ 1.63GHz, 512K L2 X800XT AIW OC 580/600 2GB of RAM 250GB HD SB Audigy 2 QDI Advance 12 mobo Smugly running Vista

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whats the difference between ... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... and the last card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... i have this power supply ..hoping this is good enough for the card :) which will be victorus! card 1, 2, 3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ... p.s (btw thank you all for all your dear help cause im noob and all with this vid card b/s) P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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Like I said earlier, if you are going to play games mostly at 1024x768 resolution, getting the 128mb video card is enough unless you want to play at high resolution like 1600x1200 max FSAA + AA. If you insist choose to spend more than you have to, then get the 512mb x1950pro agp or 512mb gainward bliss 7800GS+ and call it a day... TMP-Man Asus P5P800 PAT P4 506 @ 4009Mhz 1.3v Thermaltake CLP0024 w/ 1700RPM 92MM + AS5 2GB OCZ 2-3-2-5 DDR400 120GB/300GB 7200RPM HD Leadtek 7600 AGP 590/1600 VF700 ALCU AS5

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"Like I said earlier, if you are going to play games mostly at 1024x768 resolution, getting the 128mb video card is enough unless you want to play at high resolution like 1600x1200 max FSAA + AA." I don't necessarily agree there. May games with tons of high res textures can use 256M of video RAM even at 1024x768. In fact, GRAW caps your texture quality artificially if you don't have 512M of video RAM even at 1024x768, although you can hack around it. "Enough, enough bowing down to disillusion! Hats off & applause to rogues & evolution! The ripple effect is too good not to mention. If you’re not affected, you’re not paying attention!"

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gettin the X1650 Pro 256 instead :) thanks for all your help guys :) cumputing.net is the best! P4 2.8Ghz 1Gb ram 160 HDD ATi Radeon 9600 Pro 256mb AGP 8x 300 watt stock PSU -lost

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I WOULD GO WITH THE 7600 GT -- simply because it is cheaper and it gets more fps overall , then 7800 gs might get some higher fps but at the end the 7600 gt wins because it over takes 7800 gs in someway, i checked this on LEADTEK AND BFG. they both say that the 7600 gt wins , but why would the 7800 gs cost more then and it is newer HMMMMMMM plz anyone get back to me Brzi 10 MY SYSTEM SPECS Pentium 4 (R) - 3.4 GHz Ram - 2x 1gb Corsair = 2Gb DDR 400 Pc3200 PSU - 320 Watts Video - Leadtek 7600gt 256 mb AGP 8X HD - 320 gb Seagate Barracuda 7200 Rpm LCD 15 Inch Flatron LG 5.1 sound system xlogic blaster

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