Tom's Guide | Tom's Hardware | Tom's Games
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Name: Bicephale
Hi,
It's been some time since i've read about
"pure" DOS running on virtual machines, i
wonder if there's anything new under the
sun... VirtualBox can be installed under
Windows or Linux and provides most of the
peripherals a real machine would have but
the parallel port which is still being
worked on, if i'm not mistaking. I like
it a lot since i can install the packet-
driver and revive my old DOS InterNet
hobby but i miss my missing parallel port
because i used to have InterLink working
between my machines so i'd like to know:
is there something that feels the same as
a legacy PC with a virtual sound-card, a
virtual NIC, etc. and which includes a
virtual parallel port that i can connect
to the "real" world? I've heard of 'QEmu'
but haven't tried it yet, any comments?...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

Well sll the software you mention is Windows/Linux based not much relevence to "REAL" Standalone **-DOS. Surely you should ask the users of these types of software rather than people who still run standalone **-DOS??

Hi,
I discussed this topic here before but lets go for
it once more... The Windows/Linux guys will argue
that their forum isn't the place to discuss Stand-
Alone DOS - which is what i have. the fact that i
run Windows or Linux behind doesn't change a thing
to how i used to load a packet-driver for the NIC,
etc. I find it a bit louzy to pose a judgement on
nothing but the apparent connection to other OSes,
especially when these are made this transparent...Allow me to repeat more clearly. Considering that
comparisons between 'VMWare', 'QEmu', 'VirtualBox'
or similar aren't different from comparing a Tandy
or IBM, etc. when it comes to the peripherals, can
somebody here give me advice on the "model" i must
get in order to run my favourite DOS applications?In this very case: 'InterLink' from MS-DOS v6.20.
As far as i'm concerned it doesn't matter that you
have a HardWare PC while i want mine to be made of
a piece of SoftWare called VirtualBox or whatever:
the fact that VirtualBox has no parallel port just
isn't different from having a Tandy 1000 with some
custom parallel connector for which you can't find
a suitable cable anymore... I wrote this question
here because i want to debate DOS, not VirtualBox,
QEmu or whatever but i'd like to know which is the
best alternative; certainly, it had nothing to do
with Windows XP, and much less Linux, when someone
asked which of a Tandy, an Epson, etc. was best to
to run some favourite DOS applications back in the
good old days. So, please, look closer at what my
initial question is about before you post again!!!Euh... And by writing DOS i mean a "PURE" DOS i'm
able to enjoy as if i were back in to mid-eighties
with no apparent restrictions comming from a win32
command interpreter, etc. I want to configure the
memory manager myself, the sound-card, NIC and all
just the same! Nothing about some hypothetic post
which wouldn't fit in the Windows or Linux forums.Try it, you'll find that it has nothing to do with
Windows or Linux to partition a Hard-disk and then
to format it in order to install DOS at all. This
is the best thing which could happen to DOS for it
to survive and i'm against trashing this resource.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

Yes but DOS BOX, QEMU etal are not **-DOS software, that was my point, sorry you took offence.
Personally if I want to use PC-DOS 2000 I use my old 386 Laptop does what is says on the box!
I will look forward with interest/expectation for any comments from people with experience of Virtual PC's

I will as well and we'll take care not to cross
the boundary between the VM and DOS!...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

In MS Virtual PC you can redirect an emulated parallel port to an physical one, but that's it. COM ports seem to be way more versatile, though, as they can be redirected to a named pipe and a file, besides a physical COM port.

Hi,
Thank you. Well, i don't suppose there's any
Linux flavour of MicroSoft' VM, unfortunately,
but i was reading a lot lately and i finally
found some mentions about a parallel port (is
LPT1 SPP, ECC or ECP?) on 'QEmu'. There's one
serial port too (COM1's synthetic UART chip is
unknown so far, is it a cheap FIFO-less 16450
or a 16550 instead? I wonder)... Three sound
cards are possible (SoundBlaster 16, Ensoniq
AudioPCI ES1370, Yamaha YM3812), video is from
either a Cirrus Logic GD5446 PCI or VGA-VESA
type of virtual card, USB devices might become
accessible via UHCI for the Intel 82371 and i
will get NetWorking access using one of three
NICs (RealTek 8139 PCI, NE2000 PCI or, perhaps,
AMD PCNet). CD-ROMs are no issue but floppies
work as image-files only. ...ah, and the mouse
would be a classic PS/2. Now, i hope there are
no unpleasant surprizes waiting, i'm thinking
of my gamepad: an analog 2-axis 4 buttons unit
with a DB-15 connection to a real SB Live! 5.1
sound card. The rest of the details is beyond
virtual HardWare chat and will fall into Linux
territory so it could be long before i can post
again about my project as i need a "front-end"
to work with 'QEmu' to make this practical!...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

The only thing that feels like a machine/OS is that machine/OS. I used Virtual Machines for far too long, there is nothing like saving up your pennies and actually buying that chunk of nostalgia for yourself.
Not only that, but most emulators out there suck, or are near damn impossible to use unless you are the einstein of computer-geeks. Take Bochs for instance. Looks like it was born in 1990. Hello, it's the 21st century here! You could try the good old Virtual PC or VMware btw.
Just a thought.

Hi,
I had support from a Slax Linux Live CD in
mind so MicroSoft Virtual PC, even if free,
is out of the question. VMWare is superior
to the rest of the emulators relatively to
peripherals from what i can see but this is
a commercial product and i'm not sure i can
manage to install the late bloated version
on a Live CD anyway... I was disapointed
with VirtualBox because i started my BBS
hobby using InterLink and it's just required
for me when i work under DOS so the missing
parallel port is a major handicap. QEmu is
my best alternative but i've been very buzy
lately so i don't know yet how easy it is to
install but at least there seems to be a GUI
"front-end" and a parallel port is available.As for using the "real" thing, the last time
i made an inventory i had twenty-six of them
but i want to get rid of that mess because
all i do with it is to collect dust: the
room has become too small and just walking
there is hazardous, i prefer mouse clicks...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

Microsoft Virtual PC can support Linux, though not officially. Have you actually bit your front lip and tried it?

Actually why not just multi-boot one PC using a Boot Manager ? Save all the hassles !! Yes motherboards can be had with ISA slots and parallel ports which support Socket 478:

Euh...
Does Linux as in "Linux Live CD" ring a
bell?... Linux must support Virtual PC,
not the other way around. Now, what was
i reading about that front lip again?¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

Hi WebsWonder,
Since you mention ISA support i could have
mentioned that all my PCs but one IBM machine
were built with ISA support, including the one
i'm using right now. That doesn't mean i'm
not gratefull for the links you've submitted
to my attention, on the contrary: i'll use
them with expectation!
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

Hi,
I just wanted to share this comparison chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...
"Virtualization" is the key-word here, i guess...
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Salutations,Michel Samson
a/s Bicéphale

![]() |
![]() |
![]() |

This post is quite old and has been locked from receiving new replies. Please create a new posting instead.
| Ads by Google |