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Name: MelOtt
Date: November 7, 2004 at 09:42:50 Pacific
OS: MS Dos 6.22
CPU/Ram: Intel P2 200 / 128 megs
Comment:

Can someone give me the correct line to use
in my config.sys to get the max (64 megs)
size RamDisk with TDSK2.
I can't seem to get it right, it hangs.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.


Mel



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Response Number 1
Name: jboy
Date: November 7, 2004 at 10:42:26 Pacific
Reply:

According to the help menu generated by tdsk /? the syntax would be:

tdsk 65534

... however, DOS622 will not recognize more than 64Mb of RAM - perhaps you need to use somewhat less than 64, since the OS requires some memory.

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Response Number 2
Name: MelOtt
Date: November 7, 2004 at 14:00:13 Pacific
Reply:

Hmmm... Thanks for the response JBoy
I'm really new at Dos, I have alot
to learn. I didn't know Dos 6.22 would only
reconize 64 megs.
Perhaps a 48 meg RamDrive, that would leave
16 megs for dos and whatever.
Some recomendations here would be great.
I've been trying to get Arachne for dos to
run for a couple weeks now with no success.
I know the RamDrive is not the problem but
anything I can eliminate as a potential
problem I'm trying to get out of the way.
Do you know anything about setting up
Arachne (version 1.77) ??


Mel


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Response Number 3
Name: rogerashley
Date: November 7, 2004 at 14:16:03 Pacific
Reply:

MSDOS 6.xx has an Utility called Memmaker which is used to configure base memory, you have only 640K to play with and Arachne likes 550K. Lots of info see:

http://www.mwpms.uklinux.net/


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Response Number 4
Name: jboy
Date: November 7, 2004 at 15:56:13 Pacific
Reply:

Never had much to do with Arachne myself - I do use it as an offline browser on some machines, but that doesn't require much in the way of configuration. Of course, you need a hardware modem, not a Winmodem.

Not sure why you want such a large ramdrive - sure it will speed up disk intensive operations somewhat, but I don't know if the gains will be all that substantial.

DOS itself only uses up to the first Meg of RAM - the (in)famous 640K 'barrier' and the remaining 384K in various ways. Things like the smartdrive disk cache do make use of extended memory (if available), as well as certain applications you might run.

Normally, DOS apps just use conventional memory - whatever is left after DOS loads is what's available. Maximizing the amount of free low memory is something of a science (or an art). Refer to the excellent DOS6 Help program.

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Response Number 5
Name: MelOtt
Date: November 8, 2004 at 07:14:59 Pacific
Reply:

@JBoy

Being new to Dos, I have a lot to learn.
With 128 megs ram I figured I might as well
use it for something.
In the Arachne docs it said the TDSK2 disk
is faster than the MS RamDisk so I thought
'why not'. I think TDSK requires more
parameters than just size. I tried it with
a size of 48k but it didn't work, it hangs.
It doesn't really matter as I have the
MS RamDisk working (32megs).

On Arachne, I'll keep fumbling around until
I get it. This is something to play around
with. Its fun but sometimes flustering
since I know so little about how Dos works.


Mel


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Response Number 6
Name: jboy
Date: November 8, 2004 at 09:24:55 Pacific
Reply:

Sure - I'm just wondering what advantage having a large ramdisk provides (or a ramdisk at all). Disk caching via smartdrv will do as much or more for a system - unless you have a specific purpose.

I've used xmsdsk - never had a problem, can be run from the command line. There's a version here

For a more modern MS-DOS, you might want to try the standalone version from Win98 here

As mentioned, the DOS Help program included in DOS622 is an excellent resource - recommended reading


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Response Number 7
Name: MelOtt
Date: November 9, 2004 at 13:26:43 Pacific
Reply:

@JBoy

Arachne is supposed to run faster from a
ramdisk, otherwise, I don't know how much
use it will be.

I downloaded MS Dos 7.xx, I might as well
use the latest version.

I was able to get in touch with the guy
distrubiting Arachne 1.77 for some help.
He should be able to figure out why I'm
having the problem.

Thanks for all the help, its much
appreciated.

Mel


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Response Number 8
Name: jboy
Date: November 9, 2004 at 13:42:03 Pacific
Reply:

On (very) low end machines with slow hard drives (but with sufficient RAM), yes, utilizing a virtual drive can improve the performance of disk intensive applications IF correctly configured. I'm pretty doubtful if you really need to use one - whatever gains you might experience would likely be negligible, and hardly worth the setup effort.

In my opinion, simpler is better.

There are many considerations when choosing an Operating System, but 'DOS7' should see all of your RAM (afaik). I'd still keep the old DOS6 Help/Qbasic program - although some of the values are different, it will do quite a bit towards familiarizing you with the DOS essentials.


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