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opening DOS files

Original Message
Name: John Dilley
Date: March 2, 2006 at 13:51:59 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
OS: Win98se
CPU/Ram: 4.8gig
Model/Manufacturer: IBM 390X
Comment:
I have downloaded DOS to my computer because Win98se has a limmited capability to run DOS programs.I need access to DOS because I want to transfer files(programs and games,etc.)from old 5.25 floppys I bought real cheap to 3.5 floppys;internet research reveals I need INTERLNK.EXE and INTERSVR command from DOS.When I try to open the downloaded DOS directory,my computer says that the file cannot be opened because it is a "ISO" or an "IMG"file and that I must use BRFEDT.EXE to open these files.I searched for this program,and it is not available on my computer. I searched the internet and found it referenced in a text file describing "Brothers Multifunction Installation Disk#1".The Brothers web site doesn't have this disk as far as I can tell.
Where can I get BRFEDT.EXE or is there an alternate solution to my problem?

john


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Response Number 1
Name: T-R-A
Date: March 2, 2006 at 16:50:45 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Let me guess, you're new at this...

First: If you try to install DOS on your existing machine, you're likely going to blow away your Win98 installation...

Second: You shouldn't need DOS just to transfer files from a 5.25" floppy to a 3.5" floppy

Third: What you have downloaded (likely illegally) is an ISO image of DOS. You'd need a program to read ISO images (such as Winimage) to "convert" (for lack of a better word) the ISO to something useful.

Fourth: Win98 (or any version of Windows for that matter) has limited functionality when handling games, apps, etc. written for pure DOS. Best to find an old machine and set them up on that...


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Response Number 2
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: March 2, 2006 at 21:52:16 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Yeah, you'd only need to use interlnk/intersrv if you're tranferring files between computers--not between drives in the same computer.

Teac and Epson made some combo 1.2/1.44 drives. The drive would fit in a standard 5 1/4" bay but contained both drives. If you haven't already set up a system to copy the disks you may want to check into something like that.

If you still need to install 6.22 post back.


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Response Number 3
Name: name
Date: March 3, 2006 at 08:22:23 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
First, you cannot "download DOS" "MS-DOS" is licensed software just like '98 or XP or any other commercial software.

Second, if you are getting some error in trying to open whatever you've downloaded, it's because the "download" was zipped, compressed, or otherwise created using some special program.


Third, as said above, unless you are trying to link two computers, you don't need interlink/interserver, BUT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT there are better programs to use like FileMaven, or Laplink III, or XTlink.com


Last, WHAT EXACTLY IS IT THAT YOU are trying to do?

Winhoed98 DOES have the DOS functionality that most people need. In fact, you can make one simple modification to just one file (Bootgui=0)


http://www.webcabcomponents.com/hardware/troubleshoot/optimize9598.shtml


and boot clean to a C: prompt.

There are actually very few other DOS files that are native to DOS6.22 that you would need for most operations, that are not already on your Winhozed98 machine.

WHAT is it that you are ACTUALLY trying to do?


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Response Number 4
Name: John Dilley
Date: March 3, 2006 at 13:05:49 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Thanks to all three of you for responding.Yes ,I am relatively new to all of this.
I have downloaded DOS 6.22 boot to a 3.5 floppy,DOS 7.1 to an external flashdrive and a neighbor downloaded 12MB of "freeDOS"to a CD for me. All of these downloads are legal as far as I know.I've done this to avoid interfering with Win98SE.The plan is to go into "ms-dos PROMPT" and make the transfer from an external 5.25 drive I bought.The driver is sitting on a 3.5 floppy right now.(I'm working on the cable interface problem using pin outs I got from the internet;I hav e to go from DB-37M to the DB-25F on the back of my laptop).
I installed Winimage 8.0 because the "free DOS" web site said I needed it.
I'm trying to read these old 5.25 floppys, that appear to be formated in DOS ,out of curiosity. I want to copy to 3.5 floppys because they are more durible(sp?).I've been lead to believe that I need DISKCOPY command to make the transfer;if all I need to do is "drag and drop" from the 5.25 icon to the 3.5 icon ,then I'm making a simple job too difficult!What do you think?

john


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Response Number 5
Name: name
Date: March 3, 2006 at 14:12:05 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
A few general comments

1 Downloading Microsoft MS-DOS IS ILLEGAL.

"Freedos" or some other thing may not be


2 Using an external drive may be tough, but messing with DOS may be a waste of time. You probably can do this just as well on a '98 machine, and they already have DOS functionality. Additionally, I don't understand what you are going to install DOS "on." If you try to install it on your '98 machine, you'll have a "mess" goin'

3 You cannot use diskcopy to copy disks of differant size, capacity, and format.

4 If these are disks that encomass installation disks for some software, they may have what is called a "volume" label, which, if you were to look at them in Whenhozed, would show that in "properties". When you put a name on a disk in Whinehoed, you are essientally changing the volume label. The point is, that many install programs must have a certain label to work. DOS622 is, for example, that way. That is to say, if you just try and copy the contents of these disks, you may "miss" the directory structure, if any, and the disk label.


I'm not familiar with whatever drive you are trying to hook up, but here's the deal:


First, are you sure of the floppies? That is, are they 180kb, 360kb, 1.2 mb floppies?

What about your drive? What capacity is it for sure, and more important, does it match the floppies. Far as I know, a 5 1/4 drive will only normally read what it was designed for, and, depending, downwards.

The tracks on a 360k floppy are wider than a 1.2 mb, so.....

If your drive is 1.2 mb, and the floppies are either 360k or 1.2 mb, they should work.

However, if the floppies are 360k, and have been written on a 1.2mb drive, AND IF your drive is 360k, it probably won't work.

If your floppies are 1.2mb, and the drive is 360k, it won't work.


If it were me, I'd do a couple of things. (For the record, this very here 2.8ghz, WhendozXP machine, has a 1.2 mb floppy drive!!!)


I'd go down to the thrift store, wherever, friends, etc, and obtain a proper size floppy drive. Also make sure you have the correct cable. Before you do that, check in your motherboard bios, and make sure that it will support a 5 1/4 floppy drive.

Even if you don't mount it in the case, you can "hang" it long enough to copy the data off those floppies. You don't need to copy to othe floppies, just copy them to the hard drive, and again, pay attention to the vol. labels.

If that doesn't work, and or if you have trouble with this external drive, just go find a (thrift store) 386/486 with at least a 5 1/4 floppy, and copy them off THAT. If nothing else, you can later slave the hard drive into your desktop, and copy them from there.


Frankly, if I had to mess with building a cable just to do this, they'd be in the trash.


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Response Number 6
Name: T-R-A
Date: March 3, 2006 at 17:05:29 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
You're putting a lot of time and effort into something that could be done much more quickly and efficiently by just hunting down an old PC with both a working 3.5" and 5.25" floppy drives and an operating system (doesn't have to be DOS). Preferably something which you can compress the data to a .zip or .rar format to save space.

Your 3.5" floppies may be more durable than the 5.25", but any magnetic media will lose their stability over time (even optical backups do the same). If these games mean that much then transfer them to 2-CDR's for reassurance...


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Response Number 7
Name: John Dilley
Date: March 5, 2006 at 13:15:03 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Again thanks to all for your comments and support.My enthusiasm for this project is begining to wane.I think I'll complete the cable,plug it in,start up the computer install the driver for the external IBM 4869 drive,insert a 5.25 floppy and see if I can't get Win98SE to read and display the information on the disks and go from there.

john


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Response Number 8
Name: name
Date: March 5, 2006 at 22:11:05 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Since you FINALLY decided to post the model number of this external drive, I did a quick search. It sounds to me like you are trying to hook that thing up to your pringer port?

If so, that is not correct, and least according to the short list of results I've found


http://www.tavi.co.uk/ps2pages/ohland/8573.html#ESD_Port


It appears:


http://www.recycledgoods.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=7810


that it's a proprietary, possibly a SCSI connector

http://ohlandl.ipv7.net/8573/8573.html


CHECK THIS OUT


http://www.abcresellers.bigstep.com/item.jhtml;$sessionid$Z5MKALIAABEGZTZENUFETIWPERWRJPX0?UCIDs=1068993%7C1072801&PRID=1237743


which came from


http://www.abcresellers.bigstep.com/category.html?UCIDs=1072801


might just be the "mother"

http://ohlandl.ipv7.net/floppy/5_25-Floppy.html


This is way too much trouble for me, I'd be 'a lookin' fer a common ordinary floppy drive.

Which, by the way, a thought approaches. You might consider just pulling that box apart, and see if there's a standard drive inside!!


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Response Number 9
Name: DAVEINCAPS
Date: March 5, 2006 at 22:40:51 Pacific
Subject: opening DOS files
Reply: (edit)
Those old IBM external drives had a 37-pin proprietary interface. I still have a few in the garage. The only cards I saw them used with were 8-bit IBM floppy controllers.

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