don't forget, my 286 is 16-bit, and thus I do have 16-bit ISA slots (only a couple...) I do have an NIC that works on a 16-bit OR a 8-bit ISA bus. it will autodetect what bus it's sitting on ...

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Hi, 286 PCs with so little memory but a HardWare MoDem or an NIC can TelNet to remote Lynx browsers, your TelNet station would just run a terminal emulation program on top of the PPP/NIC packet-driver (which depends on the type of InterNet access). The need for BandWidth is reduced to a strict minimum, it's the remote server which handles Web page rendering before this content is sent, one screen of twenty- five lines per eighty characters each at a time... The job is slim enough for a venerable PC-XT (8088 4.77 Mhz) with 512 Mb of memory and no Hard-Drive, even if ANSI colours are included. The real trick is to find suitable servers running a Lynx browser (something quite rare these days)... FreeNets and ISPs offering their users a shell access supported such a service in the good old days, C.A.M. is the last one left in my province and i haven't checked lately... The local parsing of Web pages required by applications like `Lynx for DOS', `NetTamer' or `Menuet', etc. would kill your browsing experience because of the extreme slowliness, i can't see any better remedy than a remote Lynx browser for 286s! Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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I have cable ISP service... I have a domain controller in the house too, maybe if I add a modem, it could be the doslynx system for me? (I can start a telnet server on Win2k3...) A+ Certified Professional Network+ Certified Professional

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Hi, If i got you right, you don't use a router yet but there's a PC with enough computing juice to act as a "domain controller" and an ICS/TelNet server via one of two MoDems while another MoDem will connect your 286 using the PPP protocol at 56 Kbps instead on its NIC? This is not what i had in mind, there still are a few remote Lynx browsers out there! I would just load the packet-driver and MS-Kermit on top of it to TelNet to one of those. Kermit works nicely on 286s and the same-name terminal emulator is the sturdiest i ever seen after {Commo} - which has ZMoDem instead of Kermit but would be slow, in comparison (a typical Unix Lynx setup supports the Kermit file transfer protocol quite well but won't work when doing ZMoDem because it differs from the DOS ZMoDem brand, apparently). Why Kermit? Well, the remote Lynx browsers DownLoad files to a local temporary directory and then you may: 1) transfer the file via Kermit, 2) try your luck with ZMoDem, 3) leave the file on disk until you reconnect with FTP when you're a registered member. In any case, can you provide the FCC number of your NIC and add to it the chip's identification? It's no big deal connecting to remote Lynx browsers once you edited a configuration/batch-file to suit your situation; if the W2K3 station behaves as a router, i mean... Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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i still have a router in the house, a wireless one.. all it does is direct the traffic going into and out of the house.. it is connected directly to the cable modem.. my domain controller JUST has the following rolls: DHCP, DNS, Active Directory, Terminal Services, TELNET, NAS, and RAS... A+ Certified Professional Network+ Certified Professional

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Pardon me for disagreeing, but over complicating seems NOT to be the solution. As you have a Cable Modem, all you need is a RJ45/Ethernet 4 Port Switch connected to the Cable Modem. On the 286 you only need to load the Packet Driver for the NIC and run the version of DOSlynx (which is still developed) http://users.ohiohills.com/fmacall this will pick up the IP from DHCP, earlier versions of Lynx do not support DHCP, via RJ45 cable.. This in my opinion would be the easiest solution and yes TEXT Browsing on a 286 is not really slow considering the age of the PC and utilising modem internet speeds. http://www.dosthealt.f2s.com/autoexec.htm

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well i just tried installing a NIC on my 286... the setup program tells me it can't find the NIC, or there is a conflict with the base IO address... BUT the NIC has NO jumpers (it's pnp)... my video card has no jumpers also, so i can't set that differently either.. (video card is some 1MB trident card with VESA support) A+ Certified Professional Network+ Certified Professional

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If you are in the UK I have an old Genius ISA NIC c/w driver for dos thru 9x. As far as I remember its set by either by jumpers or software interface and it has both BNC and RJ45 connectors, I know that the RJ45 works cos thats what was in my system till I scavenged a nice £com 10/100 Pci card. I`d like to see the Genius go to a good home that needs it :~) Woof Always proof-read carefully to see if you any words out.

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thanks, but im in america.. :( i would have had a great home for that card.. i'll have to check my box of old cards... i might have some old jumper style cards lying around somewhere.. A+ Certified Professional Network+ Certified Professional

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Hi, DHCP is a nice thing to have, if only there were a stand-alone client able to define the whole WatTCP environment... Any chance of this ever happening? ;^) Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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The original poster wanted to browse the web, both Arachne and DOSLynx I linked support DHCP, therefore a stand-alone client is not really relevent, but yes in the later implementation of WATTCP Stack DHCP is supported...

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Hi, Thanks so much for the refreshing interlude, Fred! Runing no other tool than MS-Kermit, i DownLoaded: http://users.ohiohills.com/fmacall/dlx30bin.zip I unarchived the file, edited `DOSLynx.CFG' to get DHCP support and defined the SMTP server to fit my situation. There was no WatTCP configuration done at all and yet DOSLynx v0.30 BETA connected! This seemed promissing so i tried to launch a search on Google but there was no field to type a request... I went to the home page and tried to transfer from a link with the same address as above instead, the result: a "Not Found" error! I decided to send a message via E-Mail as a teaser: "No mail sent"... I recognize the extraordinary effort to keep a DOS project alive but i still prefer Lynx v2.8.5dev.16 run on a remote Unix server accessed by MS-Kermit. Moreover, back to his original post, i see the man asked to get on InterNet, text-only, with only 512 Kb of memory available... It would disqualify the Arachne SoftWare as a relevant solution, agreed!!! I didn't attempt to go setup a similar machine for this short test, i can't tell how it feels to have DOSLynx parse Web pages locally on a 286 16 Mhz PC but i did evaluate DOSLynx on 286 machines before; ions ago because it was too unstable for my taste. I got Lynx v2.8.5rel.1 installed besides MS-Kermit but this one requires a couple Mega-Bytes, anyway. Well, if the user isn't happy with your suggestion there's the plain old MS-Kermit TelNet client that can reach a remote Lynx browser with enough memory left to run a file browser as Buerg's List - which is even more true if DOS is DownGraded to v3.30 in order to reclaim every single bit of this precious memory the user can't aford to waste, i believe... Given the extreme circumstance, i'm convinced it's the best option and it's rock solid on both sides. Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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Well, I have run DOSLynx via PLIP and ADSL on a 8086 and yes google search is OK, you need to put the cursor (CTMouse driver) in the box and press enter to load a text input box. So I believe it will work and for a newbie is easier than the other Lynx. Would agree the other Lynx has more capatibility .........................

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Hi, I'll try DOSLynx again, and take a peek (one more) at PLIP while i'm at it. I've got a Grid LapTop i could use through the FIFO-less serial-port with a former DialUp access but i switched to ADSL lately so my PPP account had to go and the MoDem with it. I suppose having DOSLynx v0.30 BETA available is a valuable option to have when nothing else works... Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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Hi Fred, Using my IBM ThinkPad 486 50 Mhz 8 Mb RAM Mono VGA i tried "ILnkFix 80" + "PLIP 0x61" + "YAPCBr" with my PCMCIA WatTCP configuration loaded before PLIP. I did the same with a P1 MMX 200 Mhz 256 Mo RAM PC (this one got a PCI NIC) and i must let you know i had the most satisfying afternoon, especially when Kermit transfers reached 16K3 cps (it was 8K5 with the P1 as a bridge) and all this after a few years of starvation! It seemed a honnest performance in terms of former BBS standards and i just needed to have a Parallel Port, after all - but that's about when my luck turned though, most unfortunately: i learned that telnet://guest.sailor.lib.md.us won't work past July 2006... Then, nothing that i tried allowed me to experiment with PLIP on my GridCase2 8088 4.77 Mhz 512 Kb RAM LapTop! All the PCs were sitting close to each other (because the InterLink cable is six feet only); my P1 made a good YAPCBr server and the 486 too so i finally hooked my 8088 to the later. PLIP could be loaded normally under both IBM DOS v3.30 Fr and DR-DOS v5.00 Fr, i could see a link existed between the PLIP packet-drivers judging from the YAPCBr screen but i was unable to open FTP/TelNet sessions and not even if my MoDem/ Router was the target! My 486 is on MS-DOS v6.20, and my P1 has MS-DOS v7.10a via Win98's boot menu; i experimented with many variations (ILnk, no ILnk then i removed the few drivers i usually require). Of course, PLIP wouldn't really help elswhere than on the GridCase2, i'm afraid. But at least, i was able to take note of the memory savings when using v3.3 compared to v5: the gain is 64 Kb and that's significant considering the GridCase has only 512! Apparently, DOSLynx v0.30 BETA will be what's left once the Sailor remote Lynx Browser is gone. I'll resume my evaluation when i managed to use PLIP... Salutations, Michel Samson a/s Bicéphale

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