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Name: KayD
Date: April 3, 2003 at 06:32:16 Pacific
OS: Win95
CPU/Ram: 128
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I'm trying to get my backup computer running and I recently formatted C: because I had a glitch in WIN95. There are two floppy drives on this computer, but one is shown as "Detachable F" drive. Why is that drive shown as F instead of say "B"? If it's supposed to be "B" should I change it in the bias? Also, I tried installing an old game from a floppy disk unto C:\ through a clean DOS and it kept saying "Close door on Drive D" (which is the CD ROM). It's a simple card game and on a floppy that I want to install in my DOS section (not win). Why is it saying that? I recently put it in the other computer (also DOS 6.2.2 & Win95) but it installed onto C: drive with no hitch. It didn't stop installing by saying "close door on drive D". Any suggestions, advice on either or both of my questions would be greatly appreciated.



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Response Number 1
Name: Mick C
Date: April 3, 2003 at 09:05:51 Pacific
Reply:

Drive A & B are normally reserved by your BIOS for Fixed Floppy Drives (Normally 3½" & 5¼" Types)With C onwards for Fixed Hard Drives, with Removable Devices such as CD-ROM, CD/RW's and other removable devices taking whatever letter is next after your last Hard Drive Letter. I say normally as you can re-allocate drive letters within Windows 9x to some extent. I have seen a Iomega Internal ZIP100 Drive allocated as Drive B

As to your other problem! I have no idea!!


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Response Number 2
Name: KayD
Date: April 3, 2003 at 11:24:50 Pacific
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And since DOS (in the bias) allows for both an A & B floppy driver which are considered fixed drives, for what "reason" would someone set the second floppy drive as a removable F drive?


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Response Number 3
Name: Mick C
Date: April 3, 2003 at 15:10:39 Pacific
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It would help if you listed what your drives in fact are? from A to F? You were not that informative in your post, and what are your BIOS setting for the A & B Drives?

I was only stating the defaults! A & B Drives are not movable, 'Removable' Drives sometimes are.

I do not not what bias stands for anyway, In a PC it is BIOS which stands for 'Basic Input/Output System' For more information try:

http://www.sonal.co.uk/y2k10120.htm

which includes information on TweakBIOS a utility lets you examine your BIOS/CMOS setting without haveing to re-boot.

If you have two 'standard' fixed floopy drives, then something is indeed wrong.


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Response Number 4
Name: jboy
Date: April 3, 2003 at 20:37:54 Pacific
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'bias'... that's almost cute ; )

Just to echo what Mick said - if your floppy drives are being identified as other than A: & B: then something is seriously wrong with your system. Could be a bad BIOS setting or a faulty drive somewhere - really hard to say.

A 'fixed' drive is considered to be non removable - a hard drive. Removable media are floppies & CDs etc - but floppy drives ALWAYS get a: & b: by default (even if they're not there)

You need to determine which 'level' of the system these errors occur on - the BIOS is what starts the computer before DOS (or anything) loads.

The "Close drive door" error is also an indication of drive problems - again, almost anything from a dirty CD lens to an interrupt conflict.


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Response Number 5
Name: KayD
Date: April 4, 2003 at 11:48:10 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the advice - Sorry about the misspell. Wrote that message at a very busy time here at work and I was brain dead). Actually I've gone in and out of the BIOS beginning over 15 yrs ago. My husband built his first computer all those yrs ago and got annoyed when BIOS didn't show the real size of the hard disk so he changed it. When he rebooted we had no computer. I got the BIOS setup book and thought, wow, I bet the cylinders heads are off. I went into the bios and changed them back to the original settings shown in the book and got it to format with DOS - then I put in Win 3.0 (which was brand new at that time). My husband kept my computer and his (which he built) state of the art for many years until he passed away (in 1998). We used to go to the computer shows almost every month. He'd check out and buy new hardware (motherboards, memory, disk drives; every chip known to mankind) if he thought it would be improvement (which was frequently). But he was one that could fix anything,not me. I learned a lot from him, but not enough. I used to change the config. system and autoexec.bat so many times it was a joke. I used to work with DOS a lot. I even got a DOS graphics shell I use on my computer for my DOS-based icons. We used to have a lot of fun fooling with the computers. But he was my backup so whatever I did wrong, if it was serious enough and I couldn't jump start it, he'd get it running. I still have DOS 6.2.2 because I like dosshell, have Win95 because I want to be able to use that DOS and upgrading WIN might lose that right for me. I haven't worked (changed) the hardware/software in the computers since he passed. But I'm having a problem with my own computer and wanted to use his computer as a backup before I try to fix mine. I know he had changed the tower shortly before he died and was working on it but I don't know how he set it up. It was working because since then I've played games and such on it. But it started acting up and I had to format C: and put everything back in. that's when I noticed the second floppy drive was "F" removable. I know that the BIOS usually shows A: B: for the floppy drives. This computer has two floppy drives (I assumed they were A: and B:, Drive C: and Drive D: (the CD ROM) and Drive E: (no, I don't know why E:\'s there either); DOS 6.2.2, WIN95, Award Bios, 256 mGh, 1.2 gig HD. I'll look at the bios and see if it shows both an A & B floppy drive. If it just shows A enabled, I'll set it to enable B floppy also and see if that will change that F removable floppy info. I might have to FDisk to delete Drive E: since I can't see any reason for that either. He wasn't feeling well at the time he was putting in the new tower and starting the computer from scratch; maybe that's why it's so wierdly set up. I just thought I'd ask some experts if there was a reason to name a floppy drive F: because I have been detached from working on or being up to date on the computer world for a number of years now. I appreciate all your advice.


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Response Number 6
Name: JackG
Date: April 4, 2003 at 12:28:08 Pacific
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Check the DOS CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files for an ASSIGN statement like:

ASSIGN F:=B:

In DOS the ASSIGN statement is used to redirect request for disk operation to a different drive. In this case any requests to drive F: would be assigned to the B: drive.

Removing or commenting out the statement should get rid of the problem. But there may be something else that is using the F: drive letter, so you will have to look for that also.

Also look for a DRIVER.SYS statement that could be causing problems. ie. creating a diskette drive referred to as F:


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Response Number 7
Name: Mick C
Date: April 4, 2003 at 12:44:01 Pacific
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Its not just a case of enabling A & B Drives in the BIOS. You have to set them the the correct size and speed as well

i.e. 3.5" HD, 5.25" LD or 5.25" HD

Other things to check is that the hard drive is set to Master, and if the the CD-ROM is on the same cable it is set to Slave. If the CD-ROM is on the other IDE cable that it is set to Master as well.

I once had a harddrive with 2 partitions that reported as Drives C & E becouse the CD-ROM had taken D by the way!

I would suggest the following checks:

Check A & B Drives again for size & type.
Check Harddrive & CD-ROM for Master/Slave settings.
Un-connect and re-connect all cables for tight fitting.
Change Drives A & B around on cable as a last check.

Hope this helps.


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Response Number 8
Name: KayD
Date: April 4, 2003 at 14:13:08 Pacific
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Bless your hearts for your replies. I am going to work on that this weekend. I think that what David was doing because he always futuristic about everything especially computers and he talked about the read and write CDs and zip files just before he bought the tower. I think he wanted to get the tower set because it was still in the talking stage about read/write CDs and zip files and he wanted to have that E: drive ready for a second CD ROM drive (the tower has two CD ROM slots) and that F: floppy slot in the tower was where I think he was going to install a Zip file system. That was over five years ago but he was always looking ahead. If they wrote about something he was ready to get it and use it asap. I just thought of that this afternoon after I wrote my earlier response. Thanks so much for all your help. God Bless.


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Response Number 9
Name: KayD
Date: April 6, 2003 at 05:41:24 Pacific
Reply:

In CMOS Setup:
Primary Master Size 1282 Cyls 621 Head 64 Precomp 0 Landz 2483 Sector 63 Mode LBA.
Primary Slave; Secondary Master Secondary Slave all say "Auto" only. Nothing set for anything but Primary Master.
Drive A: 1.44M, 3.5 in. Drive B: None
Floppy 3 Mode Support Disabled
Base Mem. 640k
Extended Mem 31744K
Other Mem 384k
Total Mem 32,768k
CPU 233mHz; SCSI/IDE
PCI/VGA Palette Snoop Disabled(??) should it be disabled.
OS/2 Onboard Memory 64M Disabled??
I don't know if you need the rest of what's in the setup. But as you can see Floppy B is not enabled. I also went to MSD and DOS shows A,B,C,D & E. It does show 2 CDROM drives. It does show the B even tho its disabled. So, it's only Windows that's showing the Removable F. Is it because second floppy drive wasn't assigned so it gave it the F letter? I will set the B floppy to show. I've never changed those setting before, but I will if you walk me through how to change it. It must be only a couple of steps. And, if I should do that, should I reformat C: though the clean DOS prompt then to get rid of windows and reload that? I have all the DOS 6.2.2 to reload. It's so wierd because wouldn't you think since there are two floppy drives, the Award BIOS would automatically see it and set it up, instead it says "None" for B: Please advise. Thanks in advance for your help.


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Response Number 10
Name: Mick C
Date: April 6, 2003 at 14:55:03 Pacific
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Use the down arrow keys move highglight to Drive B then right and left arrow keys to select drive size and press enter to select the required option. You do not change your setting till you click YES to save changes on exit.

You do not say which size your second drive is however!


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Response Number 11
Name: Mick C
Date: April 6, 2003 at 14:57:12 Pacific
Reply:

P.S. Do not do anthing else yet - Lets see what enabling Drive B does first!!


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Response Number 12
Name: KayD
Date: April 7, 2003 at 09:38:05 Pacific
Reply:

Wanted to give you an update. Hope you all are sitting down. Latest is I went into BIOS to change 2nd floppy to B, and used the up/down arrows keys to get to 2nd floppy and use left/right arrows to make the change; all it did was go to the next item. Tried it again using enter when I got to 2nd floppy; then tried using tab key. Did use the F1 key which gave all the options including the 3.5 disk which it is; but none of the keys will work in that screen. It might be my keyboard on that computer - it's been sticking a lot so am getting a new keyboard. I'd use my other one but you wouldn't believe how complicated that's set up. It runs through a hole in the desk which is large with tons of other wires. I'm going to try again when I get the new keyboard. If that's not the problem, I'm really up a creek. I know what you're thinking - I'm also a pain in the you-know-what and you're right.Thanks for your advice. You're all terrific. I'm determined to get that dumb computer to work right. Inch by inch, I'm re-learing and beginning to feel more comfortable woring with the computer which is all thanks to your support.


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Response Number 13
Name: KayD
Date: April 9, 2003 at 06:11:39 Pacific
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I used the page up/down which allowed me to change the B from none to 3.5 option, but when I rebooted, the reboot stopped at the last sentence which read Floppy Disk(s) failure, so I rebooted and went back into bios and reset the second floppy to "none" and it rebooted fine. Guess I'm stuck with a wierd second floppy which was probably set up as some kind of zip drive. Thanks for your advice.


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Response Number 14
Name: Mick C
Date: April 9, 2003 at 15:51:18 Pacific
Reply:

I think your second 3.5" Drive is faulty, If you do not really need it, I would remove it from your system. If you do I think your problems will go away.


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Response Number 15
Name: KayD
Date: April 10, 2003 at 06:30:53 Pacific
Reply:

I think you're right Mick and I'll do that. I don't want to give my computer any more excuses to act up.


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