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Name: Homegrown
Date: May 18, 2004 at 20:33:59 Pacific
OS: XP pro
CPU/Ram: 800mgh
Comment:

I type "ver" at the command prompt and it says XP Pro. When I open windows\system\32\command.com (the only command.com file I can find) near the beginning its lists all the newer OS's with a % sign. The last line in the file however says ms_dos 5.0 copywrite etc. Interesting isn't it? Especially when you consider that some people think that you are not in DOS when you are in a command prompt window.



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Response Number 1
Name: jboy
Date: May 18, 2004 at 20:47:45 Pacific
Reply:

"... some people think that you are not in DOS"

That would include all of us here.

The XP console is supposedly an emulation of MS-DOS 5, so it's understandable that copyright credits would be listed.

There is no "DOS" in XP. Period.


Bleat at me no longer.


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Response Number 2
Name: name
Date: May 18, 2004 at 21:14:08 Pacific
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Well, first of all, you have to define "DOS."

This here very forum is concerned with "true" DOS, or MS-DOS, or PC-DOS, or any other "DOS" that boots and runs similar to these two.

Strictly speaking, even Linux/Unix/Xenix is a type of "Disk Operating System." It's an operating system, and it operates from a disk.

However, that is not what we mean here. What we are talking about on This Here Forum is REAL DOS, like MS-DOS.

Whenos3s series runs on top of DOS, and in a manner of speaking, so does Winedows 95-98 and ME.

Whambox NT, 2000, and X tra P utrid do NOT run on this form of DOS. They are completely different.

X tra P utrid does NOT have any form of DOS. It runs whatever it is that it does completely differently, and anything that it does to allow DOS based programs to run is sorta more like an emulator in LINUX that would allow DOS based programs to run.

Even all Linux systems have a "command line" setup of some sort, people who run Linux/Unix/Xenix don't go around calling it "DOS."

XP or any of the other "NT" based systems do NOT HAVE any form of DOS, period.

By the way, do you know what the highly intelligent, really highly paid programmers at Microshifting put on the splash screen for Whambos2000?

It boot up and displays, "based on NT Technology." So I guess they're telling me that it's based on "New Technology Technology."


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Response Number 3
Name: flimflam
Date: May 19, 2004 at 07:17:49 Pacific
Reply:

"Homegrown" read and digest this article about MSDOS Emulation (like Virtual PC) in the NT Family:

http://www.windowsitlibrary.com/Content/226/03/1.html

Yes this forum is really for Standaloe DOS not WinDOS, Virtual PC etcetcetc...



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Response Number 4
Name: SpiderMSN
Date: May 21, 2004 at 04:02:15 Pacific
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People here are getting confused. The command.com Command Interpreter which comes with windows 95, 98 or ME can run either in windows, or outside of it. And in a manner of speaking, theoretically the Command.Com program that comes with Windows XP is for all intents and purposes a carbon copy of MS-DOS 5.0, that runs as if it were executed as the sole command interpreter.

However, even if it WAS the exact same command.com program from MS-DOS 5.0 it does not change the fact that it is running UNDER WINDOWS. This is why, when you're in Windows 98 and you run command.com you aren't really in DOS. See for it to be DOS it must be loaded directly by the kernel. Which, in the case of MS-DOS, is io.sys. In the case of Windows NT it's ntldr. Ntldr is fully capable, in its own right, of loading a text-based command interpreter, as can be seen by the recovery consol. However it is not io.sys, it is not MS-DOS. It is incapable of performing the functions of io.sys.


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Response Number 5
Name: jboy
Date: May 21, 2004 at 09:04:47 Pacific
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"People here are getting confused"

No, people here (most of whom have worked with DOS for 10 years+) are growing tired of contesting this issue with NT/XP command line newbies.

Bleat at me no longer.


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Response Number 6
Name: SpiderMSN
Date: May 21, 2004 at 20:27:36 Pacific
Reply:

I was referring to people who think MS-DOS is contained within the command interpreter COMMAND.COM. I have worked with MS-DOS for over 10 years (since about 1990-1991). Though I'm only 21 this year (LONG LIVE DOS!).

Daniel


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Response Number 7
Name: Homegrown
Date: May 31, 2004 at 18:33:08 Pacific
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If Windows 98 XP linux etc. are not disk operating systems then how do they operate dicks? DOS means Disk Operating System.
MS_DOS means Microsoft Disk operating system.
So what if nobody invented a nickname for a unix etc. disk operating system. It still operates disks therefore it is in fact a disk operating system.


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Response Number 8
Name: jboy
Date: May 31, 2004 at 19:36:10 Pacific
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I'll just hope that's a typo.

Semantics - obviously they're all Disk Operating Systems - you're getting lost in the terminology.

When we refer to DOS here, we generally mean a standalone, command line based Operating system, directly descended from the IBM/MS-DOS 'family'.

For the purposes of this forum, the DOS underlying Win9x qualifies - it can 'stand alone' - but, when running in a Windows environment, things can be somewhat different - those kinds of questions are better addressed in the Win9x forum.


Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed.


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Response Number 9
Name: jboy
Date: May 31, 2004 at 19:53:35 Pacific
Reply:

... didn't mean to make it sound as if the 'other' DOS's were excluded (DR DOS, FreeDOS etc.)

Amend that to 'descended from, derived from, or closely related to'.


Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed.


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