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I was wondering if there exsists a seperate dos that runs under Fat 32. When I mean separate I mean like Dos 6.22 (Fat 16).
Before I address your question ("Does a Fat 32 DOS exist?"), I want to cite the following line -- which is taken from a Norton Utilities error-message:
"Versions of MS-DOS lower than 7.00 cannot access extended DOS partitions."
This means that you will not be able to detect (or access files on) any logical drives that have been created inside extended DOS partitions on your physical hard-disk drive - even though they are present there. This is REGARDLESS of whether FAT16 or FAT32 is being used.
If you have such logical drives, and want to access them, you must reboot your computer to versions of MS-DOS 7.00 or higher.
In case you don't already know:
MS-DOS 7.00 is Windows 95 RealMode DOS
MS-DOS 7.10 is Windows 98 RealMode DOS
MS-DOS 8.00 is Windows ME RealMode DOS
(MS-DOS 8.00 NOT recommended, except for WinME Emergency Boot Disk)Getting now to your question:
I believe that both MS-DOS 7.10 AND MS-DOS 8.00 will work fine on hard-drives that have FAT 32 file systems. In fact, they were designed by Microsoft to work on both FAT16 and FAT32 drives. I'm not sure about DOS 7.00 (Win95), but I wouldn't take a chance with it.IMHO, MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98 RealMode DOS) is BY FAR your best choice - unless you want to try FreeDOS, ROM-DOS, RxDOS, or PTS-DOS Pro 2000. I know nothing about the latter.
---------------But MS-DOS 8.00 is a definite LOSER. I used to dual-boot one of my computers from two different internal hard-drives. From one hard-drive, the computer would boot to Windows ME Protected Mode (the regular "Windows mode" that everybody uses). From the second hard-drive, it would boot to MS-DOS 8.00 (Windows ME RealMode DOS.)
The advantage of this setup was that I NEVER got the error-message "Incorrect MS-DOS version". (This error-message can occur, for example, when you use a common DOS program such as MORE.COM, and the wrong version of MORE.COM is present on your DOS PATH.)
However, I soon discovered that this minor advantage was outweighed by a multitude of disadvantages. But before I discuss these disadvantages, let me firstly call your attention to the following, which is quoted from the Website
www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_dos_me--------------
"If you are running Windows ME and need Real Mode DOS for any reason, then Dosfix3 is for you. Please understand that some things are not supported by DOS8. These things are like Printing from DOS etc, this is not a limitation of Dosfix, but these options have been removed by Microsoft. If you need this functionality then I recommend that you create a dual boot system with Dos 6.22 instead.Download Dosfix 3 at
http://www.overclockers.com.au/techstuff/a_dos_me/Dosfix%203.exe"
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IMHO, overclockers.com.au should have recommended MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98 RealMode DOS) -- instead of MS-DOS 6.22.(Nevertheless, their software seems fine, especially if you want to use it to remove "System Restore" and "PC Health" from Windows ME. I plan to try that myself.)
My own personal experience with RealMode DOS8 was so exasperating, that I reconfigured my second hard-drive to boot the computer to MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98 RealMode DOS), instead of the original WinME RealMode DOS (DOS8).
At this point in time, I don't recall the exact details of my DOS8 problems. (I think that EMM386 didn't work, and that everything loaded in conventional memory, and that batch-files ran slowly, and other stuff. I no longer remember.) But I DO remember the relief I gained from changing to MSDOS 7.10.
Also note: If you boot your computer from a SYMANTEC Norton SystemWorks CD-ROM, it will boot to MS-DOS 7.10 (Win98 RealMode DOS). And I think that SYMANTEC knows what it is doing ...
(Since I changed to MS-DOS 7.10, I do occasionally encounter the error-message "Incorrect MS-DOS version" - but I have devised ways to work around this minor annoyance.)
Good luck!
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Early versions of Windows 95 & 95A (OSR 1.0) used MS-DOS 7.0 which does not support extended partions.
Later versions used MS-DOS 7.10 such as
Windows 95B (OSR 2.0) & Windows 95C(OSR 2.1)But I agree 100% with Jason that MS-DOS 7.10a that ships with Windows 98 & 98 2nd Edition is your best bet.
Microsoft published a set of DOS utilies for use with Windows 95 versions called OLDDOS which is still avalable that works with 7.10 as well. (Since they all identify themselves as version 7!) Direct download is:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/olddos.exeOr click on link at top of message.
Bootdisks are available from:
www.bootdisk.com
or
www.powerload.fsnet.co.uk/bootdisk.htm
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I would like to point out that you didn't answere my question. The dos you are taking about is a embeded dos wich is working under the win, the dos I want has to work alone, (no odder OS as master OS)just like god old dos 6.22 wich is the best FAT16 dos. I was wondering if there exsists something simmelar but with FAT32.
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I have already answered your question!FreeDOS,ROM-DOS,RxDOS and PTS-DOS Pro 2000 are all stand-alone DOSes with native FAT32 support.
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And so have *I* answered your question!Like FreeDOS, ROM-DOS, RxDOS and PTS-DOS Pro 2000 -- MS-DOS 7.10a, that ships with Windows 98 & 98 2nd Edition, is a full-fledged, dyed-in-the-wool, genuine, authentic, stand-alone (meaning RealMode) DOS with native FAT32 support.
MS-DOS 7.10a will propbably end up being the best MS-DOS of all time. It can access logical drives inside extended DOS partitons -- which DOS 6.22 cannot do. And it can access files on a FAT 32 hard-disk-drive -- whcih again DOS 6.22 cannot do.
Also, following COMMAND.COM you can use the /Z command-line switch (which shows the errorlevel returned). Again, the /Z switch doesn't work with DOS 6.22.
You can boot your computer To 98 ReaMode("standalone") DOS, and work all day -- without ever even starting Windows. Or, you can start Windows 98 from it at any time -- just by typing WIN.COM at any DOS-=prompt. -- OK?
By the way, thanks Hal (Response 4) for the great link! ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/softlib/mslfiles/olddos.exe
Also please note that I am a Jason different from the Jason in Response 1.
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Yes,MS-DOS 7.10 is the best MS-DOS.I'm using it every day.It has many enhancements over MS-DOS 6.22,such as:
Supports LFNs/FAT32/Large hard disks.
Supports large memory(>64M).
Loads DOS itself to UMB automatically.
Environments variables can be used in the DOS command line.
Y2K compliant.
More commands,such as LOCK/UNLOCK/FILESHIGH/BUFFERSHIGH,etc.
Supports long path names.
EDIT can be used to edit binary files and multiple files.
REN can rename a directory.
and many more.
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For experimented hobbyists and newbies to dos, make your own 3 disks install set of Windows 98 or Win 98 SE with the program getdos7.bat from:
http://www.msu.edu/user/jonesdes/html/mainsoft.htm
This program offers an install from bootable disk 1 (somewhat similar to MS-DOS 6.22), reconfiguration from the dos prompt of true sound blaster cards and CD-ROM drive support.Autoexec.bat and config.sys are installed by the program installation.The site also offers some hints to install hard drives larger than 60 Go.
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Thanks. I was looking for a way to extract MSDOS7 out of Win98. Now I have an installation set.
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Hi, I've made a small DOS bundle for people wanting to install DOS7.1 as a dual boot with Windows NT (however it's just as useful for anyone wanting to install DOS as a dual boot on any system). It just has included the information and means to be abel to dual boot your system with XP. The package isn't as complete as it could be yet, but at any rate it does have complete DOS7.1 and everything you need, it's just I want to add some more DOS programs to the package. If this sounds useful here's a direct download link: http://www.freewebs.com/spidermsn/DOS71.EXE (it's a self-extracting ARJ file, I've always liked ARJ more then ZIP).
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Those of you who have Norton GHOST and have made a boot disk should type VER and press enter. There is a PC DOS Ver 7.1 that accesses large drives. I don't know whether it will copy long filenames or not. The problem is that you only get the boot files, and IBM says they have discontinued the OS. They are still pushing PC 2000 which will not access large drives however.
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Extracting MS-DOS 7.1 from Windows 98 was never a problem! getdos7.bat does however make it a lot easer!
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If there were only a way to get 3.1x to run under it without having to use 3XStart. Someone should make a distro of MSDOS 7.1 with the new IO.SYS already patched.
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PowerLoad has just uploaded in the last few hours a new 'Patched' MS-DOS 7.10a (From 98se) Bootdisk. Which not only is patched for Windows 3.1 but also reads MS-DOS 7.10 at Startup and at VER - Neat, Get it at:
http://www.powerload.fsnet.co.uk/bootdisk.htm
Or just click the link at top of message.
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