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Cr. Labs CT4810 sound card in DOS

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Name: Chris Hodapp
Date: December 31, 2001 at 19:34:21 Pacific
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Has anyone had any experience with using a Creative Labs CT4810 sound card (Ensoniq or something like that is what I also see it called) under DOS [or Linux for that matter...]? I got one free from a computer someone dumped... and I can't seem to get it to work under much. I tried to get a few games under DOS to autodetect it, none of them did. Under muLinux, it scanned just about every IRQ\IO port combination available and found nothing. Under RHL7, it found the sound card but said it was unsupported. I looked online, didn't find much... that's why I'm bugging you. Thanks...



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Response Number 1
Name: DR
Date: January 1, 2002 at 11:38:15 Pacific
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If any group has an answer to this it would be United Trackers. I know when the Ensoniq cards first came out there was a lot of disappointment because they sounded good in Windows but had no DOS support. I think that the old Ensoniq cards (before Creative Labs bought them), added some DOS support, I am not sure about the newer Creative cards. Check at the forums up there.

http://www.united-trackers.org


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Response Number 2
Name: Andrew Ordo
Date: January 1, 2002 at 13:39:41 Pacific
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The Creative Labs CT4810 does NOT work in real mode DOS, although you might be able to get it to work in a virtual real mode session within a 32-bit Windows environment. Information I've seen regarding this card is confusing at best and occasionally conflicting.

I've this card referred to as "Creative Labs CT4810", "Ensoniq CT4810", and "Creative Sound Blaster PCI128." There was some guy who reported buying a card that was sold as a "Sound Blaster 128PCI" and packaged and labelled as "Creative Labs CT4810" but which bore an actual model number of CT4810 and used a CT5880 chipset!

Information suggests that these cards actually use the following chipsets:

CT4810
CT4811
CT5880

I've seen information that suggests that the CT4810/CT4811 is compatible with the es1371 chipset. Some information suggests that the CT4810/CT4811 is compatible with the CT5880 chipset.

The CT5880 chipset (which is apprently used in the CT4810/CT4811 cards) is almost certainly not compatible with the es1370. It *may* be compatible with the es1371 chipset.

Cards using the es1370 chipset or that are FULLY compatible with it can be used in real mode DOS using Ensoniq's software for the original Ensoniq AudioPCI (not the "Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI, which used the es1371), which used the es1370 chipset.


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Response Number 3
Name: Andrew Ordo
Date: January 1, 2002 at 13:41:03 Pacific
Reply:

I have used numerous Ensoniq AudioPCI (es1370 chipset) and Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI (es1371 chipset) cards over the past four years. Here's a little information that I hope you might find enlightening regarding real mode DOS support and the different chipsets used.

The *original* Ensoniq AudioPCI (es1370 chip) worked flawlessly under real mode MS-DOS 6.22. It also worked perfectly under Windows 3.x (I used it with Windows for Workgroups 3.11), Windows 95, 98, NT 3.51, and NT 4.0. (The card shipped with software for MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, NT 3.51, NT 4.0, and 95.) The only problem I ever encountered with this card was an interrupt handling latency issue under Windows NT that made it impossible to receive external MIDI data properly.

Although this was a jumperless PCI card, it shipped with a setup program that allowed it to be configured and used under DOS. You could specify what kind of emulation you wanted to use (Soundscape, Sound Blaster, and possibly Gravis or AdLib--I don't recall at the moment), specifying a waveset, selecting I/O ports, DMA channels, and hardware interrupts, Sound Blaster environment, etc.

This card is FULLY compatible with real mode DOS. This was pointed out in numerous reviews as a major selling point--especially since many competing PCI sound cards either offered dodgy DOS support or no DOS support at all!

The card's excellent analogue to digital and digital to analogue converters, lack of an onboard amplifier (onboard amplifiers are generally NOT desirable for digital audio work--they add noise), wide dynamic range, incredibly low noise and relatively flat frequency response made it an excellent choice for amateur and possibly semi-pro home recording studios, sampling, and other midrange digital audio applications.

This card was bought by Creative Labs, who made a few changes. The name was changed from "Ensoniq AudioPCI" to "Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI" and a new chipset was used for the Creative Labs version: The es1371. The es1371 is NOT compatible with the es1370, meaning you couldn't use the old drivers. You had to use the new drivers provided by Creative and Creative decided not to support the card under real mode MS-DOS or 16-bit Windows. (In addition, the Creative drivers were crap, some variations included an onboard amp that wrecked the noise specs, and in general, the es1371-based Creative card seemed to offer poorer sound quality, less reliability, less compatibility, and is generally less desirable than the orignal Ensoniq es1370 version.)

Creative did not advertise the fact that they had removed real mode DOS and 16-bit Windows capability from new "CREATIVE Ensoniq AudioPCI." Also, they neglected to update the documentation that shipped with the new es1371 version. The documentation provided was actually for the original es1370 model, which had instructions for using the card with DOS--something that was impossible with the new card! There was a lot of confusion about this and many people were mistakenly informed that cards that worked with DOS didn't and cards that didn't work with DOS did. Adding to the confusion: Creative claimed the card was "compatible with DOS titles." This was only the case if you were running a DOS app under a virtual real mode session from a 32-Windows environment.

Then, Creative released a "new" Sound Blaster card allegedly developed entirely by Creative and based soley on Creative technology: The Sound Blaster PCI64. The Sound Blaster PCI64 was actually nothing more than the original es1370-based Ensoniq AudioPCI re-labelled and sold for twice the price! (Presumably, this was Creative's way of turning a nice profit on the old discontinued Ensoniq stock. Creative's Micah Stroud went so far as to issue public statements declaring that the Sound Blaster PCI64 was a totally different, new product from Creative and *not* in any way similar to the old Ensoniq card. In actually, the cards are one and the same.)

In short, only the es1370 versions (the original Ensoniq AudioPCI and the Creative Sound Blaster PCI64) are supported under DOS; the es1371 version (the Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI) is NOT supported under DOS. All software for the original es1370 Ensoniq AudioPCI and the Creative Sound Blaster PCI64 are completely interchangeable since they're the same card. Only Ensoniq provided the necessary software to use the es1370 cards in real mode or with 16-bit Windows.


PRODUCT CHIPSET REAL MODE
SUPPORT
no keys--------------
Ensoniq
AudioPCI es1370 Yes, using Ensoniq's
software, not Creative's
drivers. This card
works with both
Ensoniq's AudioPCI
drivers *and* Creative's
Sound Blaster PCI64
drivers.

Creative
Ensoniq
AudioPCI es1371 This card only works
with Creative-supplied
software, which offers
32-bit Windows support
ONLY--no real mode DOS
support

Creative
Sound
Blaster
PCI64 es1370 Yes, using Ensoniq's
software for the
original Ensoniq
AudioPCI. This card
works with both
Ensoniq's AudioPCI
drivers as well as
Creative's Sound Blaster
PCI64 drivers since
they're actually the
same card.



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Response Number 4
Name: peter hall
Date: March 6, 2002 at 00:02:59 Pacific
Reply:

i am looking to download a driver for creative ct4810 the disc i have is warped


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Response Number 5
Name: hemant
Date: March 26, 2002 at 05:46:07 Pacific
Reply:

i recently purchased a sb pci 128 card which claims to be fully compatible with sb16.
i had developed a modem application on old isa card (sb16) and now i want to upload my application on this new pci card .

But the problems are coming and no sound can be recorded .The thing is i am working in real mode dos and transmitter is working very fine.

Please can anyone suggest any changes or tests so that programs can be made portable.


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Response Number 6
Name: zoar
Date: April 2, 2002 at 01:01:55 Pacific
Reply:

I actually have one of those CT4810 which is badged as a SB PCI128 using the 5880 chipset - I have the 'original' drivers if anyone wants them, but I was hoping to find replacements as they give a dodgy performance - does anyone know what I should use ?



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Response Number 7
Name: Adam
Date: April 14, 2002 at 06:41:38 Pacific
Reply:

I've just downgraded to Windows 95. I used to have ME, which recognised my CT4810, but 95 doesn't and I can't find the drivers anywhere. Does anyone know where I can download them from?


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