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Name: Franklin Castillo
Date: December 6, 2001 at 13:41:59 Pacific
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Does anyone know where I can download a multi-user, multi-tasking 32-bit operating system based on DOS. I know Linux will do all this but I have more experience in DOS than in linux. Thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: The Doofus
Date: December 6, 2001 at 14:58:35 Pacific
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsme/default.asp


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Response Number 2
Name: astroraptor
Date: December 6, 2001 at 15:58:17 Pacific
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haha, good one


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Response Number 3
Name: fred6008
Date: December 6, 2001 at 19:12:32 Pacific
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Doofus isn't joking. The dos commands in Windows 98 or Windows ME make an excellent 32 bit DOS operating system.
I have changed the line in MSDOS.SYS to GUI=0 when windows quit on me and used the whole installaltion as one big DOS 32 bit operating system. I did this to continue to access a large drive.


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Response Number 4
Name: The Doofus
Date: December 7, 2001 at 09:23:59 Pacific
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Actually, fred6008, I was joking. But, you are also right that GUI=0 does turn Win 9x\ME into a very zippy command line processor. But, alas, there is a big downside compared to 'NIX and that is the reliance on paths. Once you start using programs outside of C:\Windows\Command you need massive typing muscles to get anything done. You can start adding paths to your enviroment, but very quickly you slow the system to a near halt and start experiencing glacial boot times.


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Response Number 5
Name: Michael
Date: December 7, 2001 at 15:01:20 Pacific
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Hmmmm......

Probably DR DOS is your best bet, or Doof always raves about PT-DOS from the crazy Ruskies.

DR-DOS's multitasking isn't very stable unfortunately. Desqview under DOS is probably your best bet for multitasking, Desqview/X is probably the best for multiuser multitasking, but DVX is an operating system in and of itself.

I can't vouch for PTS DOS since I haven't used it yet, Doof care to elaborate?

-Michael


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Response Number 6
Name: The Doofus
Date: December 7, 2001 at 19:57:38 Pacific
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Well, Michael, PT-DOS is very powerful, but it is also very idiosyncratic. I can't really recommend it as a solution in of itself, unless launching Volstok rockets into orbit or running the Moscow subway is what you have in mind. O_o It does have some very nice bits and pieces in it that makes it well worth trying, though. The only true multi-tasking 32 bit solution that also works on reasonably old computers would be one of the many variations of 'NIX, I'm afraid. OpenBSD would be an excellent choice for 386 and up computers.


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Response Number 7
Name: Alde
Date: February 7, 2002 at 03:38:00 Pacific
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There are some 32 bits operating systems bases in DOS, with preemtive multitasking and protected memory. At the moment I know 3 OS.

The names of these operating systems are Real/32, TSX-32 and Multiuser-DOS.

Multiuser-DOS: http://www.conctrls.com/frames/multi.htm

TSX-32: http://www.sandh.com/os.htm#tsxlite

Real/32: http://www.imsltd.com/products.htm

The line command of Windows 95/98/ME doesn't have preemptive multitasking.


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Response Number 8
Name: Maurice Courcha
Date: February 17, 2002 at 14:54:25 Pacific
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You can obtain an evaluation version of TSX-32 form www.sandh.com known as TX-32 Lite. This version ought to be considered to be an educational toy. I think thatit could be based on a ten year old kernel because it cannot do long file names nor is it FAT32 compatible. You are also limited to two users and no networking. since there is no license or order form with the installation and it does not time out it is, for all intents and purposes, free. It is also the only free multitasking, multiuser protected mode DOS available on the intenet as far as I know. There is also a full version available as a download for evaluation known as TSX-32 version 6.1. This is limited to 30 days use, after which it times out after half an hour. This has many more features of interest to professional users. TSX-32 looks very impressive and once you can get past the diabolical setup program it ought to be a revelation to experienced DOS users. It is beginning to look rather dated now and the tsxshell interface looks old fashioned. It really needs a gui to compete with Applica's Multiuser Windows in ordinary office environments. I mean, who uses Word Perfect for DOS nowadays? Perhaps someone could devize an open source gui for TSX-32 if Sandh do not take the initiative. If anyone could suggest other multiuser, multitasking protected DOS versions, preferably with evaluation downloads available, I would be delighted to hear about them


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Response Number 9
Name: The Moz
Date: March 4, 2002 at 05:52:50 Pacific
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Changing the line in Msdos.sys to bootgui=0 does not change Windows into a 32 bit command line OS. You can prove that the processor has not been switched to protected mode by attempting to run the Windows consol programs START and XCOPY32 (these are the equivalent to 32 bit DOS programs). I found that the boot process stopped before Windows began to load (I think). Also accessing a large hard drive does not prove that the Windows kernel has enabled DOS to overcome the the limitations on drive size inherent in DOS. I have been able to access a 50gB partition using a Win98 boot disk. If the partition had been full up then it would have been a different story. Also I must correct Doofus on his statement that DOS relies on path commands in Autoexec.bat as the only alternative to typing out the full command. In fact it is easy to avoid straining your typing muscles by simply making a batch file for each program you may want to start. See the Useful Site for more command line tricks with Windows95/98.

I have carefully read the documentation available on the internet for DR-DOS, Desqview and PTS DOS and nowhere did I see a statement to the affect that these OSs have a 32 bit kernel. In reality multitasking with these OSs is done using a 16 bit add-on for real mode DOS. I have only tried Desqview but this took a large chunk of conventional memory thus proving my point. There is no reason to think that DesqviewX is really any different in this respect.

If you try a genuine protected mode DOS like TSX-32 you will not be left in any doubt that this is something fundementaly different to plain DOS.

Although it is not multitasking yet you may like to try a DOS compatible OS inspired by Unix called MPS. You should be be able to obtain a free version at www.mpsystem.prv.pl


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