If you keep the video clips short, what's to edit?
Don't play the ones with no action.

For the non-professional, video editing can be a complete waste of time.

I've been not editing video for some time now. It just works.

Getting banned at video forums for:
"Why edit video at all"

Hi SpectateSwamp,

What if the clips are not short?

"Don't play the ones with no action."
Would that not be considered as "editing"?

It's kind of like when a friend prints up a roll of film that contains 26 images where 11 of them are a waste of paper. Should they show you all 26 or just the 15 worth viewing?

26 is 'short' but still worth editing.

With video; if you are a really good director (as I suspect you must be) of a short film then everything is in tact upon completion of the shooting but us amateurs are more suited to editing or else we could say that taking videos at all is a waste of time because nobody is going to want to watch it including ourselves.

With that being said...are you personally on a mission to see how many forums you can get banned from for making that statement?

You won't get banned for it here so what is your point of posting such a statement? Expressing your opinion? I can appreciate that. This is a forum that is designed for the open exchange of ideas and concepts. If that is the case then I can also respect that.

Thank you,
Bryan

Getting banned at video forums for:
"Why edit video at all"

Uh, duh! Many people are looking to create quality pieces. You can go right on producing the crap that you have been, thank you. As for keeping all the clips short, you have obviously not needed to film a sporting even or some other activity that takes place over a prolonged period.

Michael J

Not sure what you are talking about??? You sound much like a person I know that was recently banned on the Pinnacle forums. But none the less; I find video editing (short or long) a blast. The cross-fades, the disolves, overlays, audiotracks... you can make what ever you wish.

In fact it's the short boring ones that can be so fun to work on. There is no scare of losing something important, so the sky is the limit... it's your artistic mind that will make the video interesting. Of course if you don't have much af an artistic mind... maybe collecting baseball cards would be a better hobby??

Editing is using software to change the
original video. Ie removing, merging
captioning, adding a sound track etc.

Editing isn't, deciding not to play a clip,
anymore than deciding not to shoot a clip.

Is Blinking editing?

At sporting events I shoot lots of short clips.
Just stop the video when there is a lull in the action.

The best way to get good video is to capture
it. Shoot lots and the law of averages is on
your side. You just get more good clips that
way.

The more you shoot, the better you get with
the camera.

Some people spend way more time editing
than shooting video.

moments with the camera off can also mean moments lost during the lull. Some of my best fill-ins are from the lulls that I captured.
I understand what you're saying, but the creativity is within the artist.
You can preach your ideas until your blue in the face, but everyone is going to do how they want to do it.

What happened to my quote

Many of us are familiar wth the reasons for editing.
It's just time to present the not-editing side and how to do it.

Newbies getting video cameras will never find a
"How to avoid video editing" post on "video forums".

The idea sure meets with resistance.

There is just so much more that can be done videoing wise.

Computers and these mini extremely portable camcorders
have changed everything.

SpectateSwamp,

Have you considered creating your own webpage just for the few whom would like to learn how to make a video without having to or wanting to edit it later?

To me, it is the editing part that I find as fun.

Bryan

"Many of us are familiar wth the reasons for editing.
It's just time to present the not-editing side and how to do it."

It's referd to as "editing in camera" and the concept is hardly anything new. Or spectacular. On the occasion I shoot film over DV, I shoot quite a bit less. I guess I on some level am in the edit in camera mode... uhmmm... of course it still gets edited because to not is just art school dumbassery. Hadly anything new there ;)

Other than that, I have nothing to say to you-- you're either just trolling or from another planet.

Either way...

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Video editing, is taking and changing a video file.

In camera edits are ok for staged events and often a must.
with wildlife and reallife it's impossible.

If I need a different perspective, I quickly move the camera.

No need to change the original files what-so-ever,
when you can skip the low value ones and only play the best.

A good days shooting can result in over 100 short clips.
(Video length from 30 seconds to 2 minutes)

Low cost computers, camcorders and DVD storage has changed everything.
People can now shoot and shoot for next to nothing.
(Cameras and DVD's were expensive just 3 or 4 years back)

What could be done in the past, video wise will pale to what's
possible now.

Not editting made sense with film, but not with digital.

Sorry, I do not check for private messages

Not editing video makes even more sense for digital.
The computer can start and stop display in any file.

Play random video segment selections as a screen saver etc.
(Random in-computer editing?)

Ok, you win; I will never have fun editing videos again. Not!

However, If it helps you then I will try to be a better director. Wait...I always try to be better at everything that I do.

Darn, I tried, but I like editing my videos.

What about adding music to those wildlife shots? Do you bring a stereo with you?

In summation...
I believe your Subject should have or could have been more appropriately shown as:
"Did you know that if you become a better videographer then you will be able to eliminate the fun of editing your digital videos?"

Similarly; If I knew everything that there is to know about computers then I wouldn't need to visit this forum anymore. (Unless I just want to help people just for fun.)

I am glad that you have an opinion. I am saddened that you can not find other ways to get people to communicate with you and that you can not find people to communicate with that share your interests or opinions.

Have you tried a Google search on "Videography" as I see there are forums and much more.

HTH
Bryan

P.S. Sorry that you have not accomplished your goal of getting banned here.

Hi Bryan

What I do isn't really editing because
none of the original files are changed.

But I can achieve the same effect.

My DVD backups contains the following playback template

Computer options included with video DVDs.

option 1 Manual (All video options available)

option 2 Sequential play
option 3 Sequential thumbnail clips (first 4 seconds)

option 4 Random play.
option 5 Random thumbnail clips (8 seconds) with Freeze on last frame

option 6 Slowmotion Sequential play
option 7 Slowmotion Random play
option 8 Slowmotion Random thumbnail clips (4 seconds) with Freeze on last frame

The above 8 only require 2 text lines per clip (catalogue option provides these)
ie "Day 10 clip 1" (search criteria here along with control options)
"c:\Day10_clip001.mpg" (Path to the video, defaults to current DVD drive)

"Day 10 clip 2"
"c:\Day10_clip002.mpg"
.
.
.

The following options require video cataloging.
I seldom do these for my backups as they requires a lot more time.

option 9 Hi-lite reel... (Timeline controlled playback with Slowmotion
Freeze frame, captioning, instant replays and more)
option 10 Highly catalogued manual playback

Couple that with the ability to run multiple background processes.
along with the navigation feature, and there are unlimited video possibilities.
Ie mute the camera when videoing, then sync with music or other audio.
Do split screen dual video playbacks easily.

I usually have around 100 video clips per 4.7 Gig DVD

All without one video file bit being fiddled.
Just the original raw unedited footage

Very good.

"I mute the camera when videoing, then sync with music or other audio."

Where is the music while taking the video? Is it added during the recording session?

Bryan

I seldom add music to a video, but I can do it without any editing.

(1)
Pack along my laptop with speakers.
Start the desired tune
Video in the live action.

(2)
Display the video on my flatscreen with the sound muted.
Video in the playback with a background music comming from another source.

(3)
Start a background job to play the music file.
Then another process to display the desired video.

In defending this topic, I've learned a thing or two
on both sides of the subject. It's forced me to clean
up and organize my DVD backups. I now have a pretty
good list of the "todo's" of not editing.
Even had one or two who gave not editing a shot. Then posted it.