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Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?

Original Message
Name: Greatgamer
Date: October 28, 2006 at 03:21:32 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
OS: XP
CPU/Ram: AMD 4400 X2
Model/Manufacturer: DFI
Comment:
Hello, I remember watching AMD CPUs go from 400mhz, to 1ghz, to 2.6ghz, but why does it stop there? I assume that they reached their peak and cannot product an affordable CPU that goes beyond that speed? I am aware that they are trying to use dual cores, faster RAM, etc. to make up for the speed but I was looking forward to the 5ghz cpus a few years ago :P I am still not really satisfied with today's computer specs. I would like to reach an era where the PC can load up in a couple of seconds and every program can open and close as fast as a notepad text document.

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Response Number 1
Name: Mattwizz3 (by mattwizz3)
Date: October 28, 2006 at 06:27:25 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
At the moment AMD and Intel arent focusing on increacing MHz but iproveing architecture, effiency etc. Which makes for a much faster CPU. Intels new Core 2 Duo's are an example and AMD's low power A64's. I'm pretty sure even my computer could boot in a matter of seconds if it wasnt for the most common and obvious bottleneck - The hard drive. Compared to the rest of the computer, hard drives are super slow and without a doubt its every computers bottleneck. If hard drives were as fast as RAM then everything would open instantly and load times in games would dissapear. I'm sure if you spent the money on a new system you would be impressed. For now though, if you want a faster computer and already have plenty of RAM and CPU power, get a RAID going with two 10,000 RPM drives and that should boost boot up performance and application open times.

Mattwizz3 : )


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Response Number 2
Name: Greatgamer
Date: October 28, 2006 at 06:39:35 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
Yeah funny I used to post that argument about how harddrives are slowing down the whole computer and how you can have a kick ass system but the harddrive will always be the bottleneck:

http://www.computing.net/hardware/w...



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Response Number 3
Name: Greatgamer
Date: October 28, 2006 at 06:40:38 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
BTW that topic is old my PC is a lot more powerful now with all new equipment.

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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: October 28, 2006 at 07:26:48 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
I recall reading that the GHz race was halted because the reasonable physical limits of what could be done with a PC had been reached. By that I mean that to run CPUs at 5GHz & beyond would require more power & extreme cooling measures & would result in much higher costs per unit. So Intel & AMD focused elsewhere...more efficency, higher FSB, dual & quad cores CPUs, etc. There may be some sort of technological breakthrough that will allow the CPU GHz race to startup again...time will tell.

Besides, does that average PC user need 5GHz? Does he even need 3GHz? Does he truly need a dual-core CPU? In most cases, NO. Enthusiasts, gamers, & hardcore multi-taskers make up a small percentage of worldwide PC users. The vast majority of PCs are used for office applications, internet, multimedia, etc


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Response Number 5
Name: Greatgamer
Date: October 28, 2006 at 07:57:12 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
"NO. Enthusiasts, gamers, & hardcore multi-taskers make up a small percentage of worldwide PC users."

True, but more and more users are creating graphics, animation, videos, music, and other job related tasks as well.


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Response Number 6
Name: Cobra_R
Date: October 28, 2006 at 16:21:10 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
Yeha but he was talking about your avg home user. Your avg home user the type of people that mostly surf the web do word processing and lightly game will never need a dual core processor or a 3ghz processor. Those types of uses make the the vast majority of the pc market.

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Response Number 7
Name: jboy
Date: October 28, 2006 at 18:39:03 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
Software always lags behind hardware developments - way back when the first 386's came out, very few (if any) programs could take advantage of the 'new architecture'

So... do you think Moore's Law has hit (or is about to hit) that wall, and is no longer valid?

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Response Number 8
Name: Cobra_R
Date: October 28, 2006 at 22:14:50 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
It will hit a wall, but the question is when? Who knows maybe within the next 10 years or so. I mean, you can only pack so many transistors onto a chip before you hit a stopping point where you can no longer pack anymore in, but when that happeneds then that's where Cell technology will come in and replace the current chip technology.

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Response Number 9
Name: jboy
Date: October 28, 2006 at 23:41:24 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
I don't think we're anywhere near there yet

From the article:

Researchers from IBM and Georgia Tech created a new speed record when they ran a silicon/germanium helium supercooled chip at 500 gigahertz (GHz). The chip operated above 500 GHz at 4.5 K (451 degrees below zero Fahrenheit) and simulations showed that it could likely run at 1 THz (1,000 GHz).

So, it's been done (using the extreme cooling mentioned by jam) - just don't expect them to be rolling off of the shelves anytime soon

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Response Number 10
Name: Mattwizz3 (by mattwizz3)
Date: October 29, 2006 at 00:35:27 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
I think the biggest limitation will be the size they can get the transistors. After a while they are too small to effectively conduct electricty. But I dont think that GHz is going to be what matters for a while, I think they will look at other technologys to boost performance.

Mattwizz3 : )

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Response Number 11
Name: Cobra_R
Date: October 29, 2006 at 01:39:36 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
It's been done but in reality it will never happen, because it would cost billions of dollars to design a chip that is capable of reaching that speed at the same time keeping it cool on a regular case fan while using reasonable watts on a psu. It would be dumb to spend billions of dollars to do something like that, when all you have to do is just ditch the aging chip structure itself and use a bran new technology like cell technology instead.

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Response Number 12
Name: Galileox2
Date: October 29, 2006 at 10:09:04 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
Heres some easy to read info about CPU architectures and why its not all about the GHZ. Its dated one year, but still applies.

http://techreport.com/forums/viewto...

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Response Number 13
Name: Galileox2
Date: October 29, 2006 at 10:29:44 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
And another...

http://forums.amd.com/index.php?sho...

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Response Number 14
Name: martik
Date: November 11, 2006 at 16:45:33 Pacific
Subject: Why not over 4ghz CPUs by now?
Reply: (edit)
2 things will minimize the HD bottleneck in the near future:
1. Vista's ReadyBoost will use your USB flash drive as a cache
2. Hybird Hard drives

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