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why is my P4 3.0 Ht prcessor runnin

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Name: Cinole
Date: May 21, 2005 at 08:59:23 Pacific
OS: wondows xp
CPU/Ram: p4 3.0Ghz HT 1024mn RAM
Comment:

i just bought a new processor after having a celeron for a while. and the problem im having is that it only runs at 1.49 GHz and 399 FSB speed. I found out i needed to download a bios update which i did. and it still doesn't work. I really have no idea what could be wrong. my motherboard can support it (i called compaq and asked to be sure) and it runs fine except that its only at half speed.

could someone please help me thanks



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Response Number 1
Name: Sabertooth
Date: May 21, 2005 at 09:29:57 Pacific
Reply:

There is a gob of 3Ghz Pentium 4's out there and they all run @ 200 FSB (800 quad-pumped) with the exception of the 3.06G P4 that clocks 3.06GHz default with 133 FSB (533 quad-pumped).

Check your settings in the BIOS, if you have to manually set it correctly, do that.

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Response Number 2
Name: SkipCox
Date: May 21, 2005 at 10:05:04 Pacific
Reply:

Sounds like your motherboard may only support 400Mhz P4's?

What is the exact model of your Compaq?

Skip


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Response Number 3
Name: Cinole
Date: May 21, 2005 at 10:14:44 Pacific
Reply:


ok well as far as manually doing any thing i have no idea what to do . all i hear is increase your front side bus speed by 5 mhz at a time. i dont know what that means or how to go abou doing it.

my computer is a compaq presario sr1110nx. and they will no longer help me becuase i installed this processor.

when i called compaq before i bought the computer they said that i would be able to support a p4 3.0 ghz prcessor so i dont see why it would only clock to 400mhz


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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: May 21, 2005 at 15:49:44 Pacific
Reply:

Your board should automatically detect the proper FSB setting...if not, you have to go into the BIOS & adjust the setting manually. Like Skip said, your board may not support 800FSB.

Remember that Intel "quad pumps" the FSB, so the actual setting in the BIOS may be 100MHz, rather than 400FSB. 133MHz would be the same as 533FSB, & 200MHz would be the same as 800FSB.

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Response Number 5
Name: damasta55r
Date: May 21, 2005 at 16:28:16 Pacific
Reply:

Performing a processor upgrade on an oem machine. Wow, that's about the stupidest thing ever. Compaq has their own special bios, so if they say you can upgrade, i wouldn't listen because usually they don't offer bios upgrades like those. I don't think you can even mess with the fsb speed in oem bios. I don't think your mobo would support anything, but a higher clock speed of your older processor. Upgrading to a pentium 4 would be beyond it... Don't expect compaq to give you a bios that lets your mobo support a pentium 4, theoretically they can, but why would they, they're in it for profit. What they'll do is offer you another machine and you either buy it or you're stuck. My advice, get a new motherboard and perhaps a new psu and you'll need to buy the os again and put it together.
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Response Number 6
Name: Cinole
Date: May 21, 2005 at 20:23:16 Pacific
Reply:


well thanks but i think id rather not spend 300 something dollars right away and try to figure out the problem. and i really doubt its the stupidest thing ever since im sure im not the first on this entire earth to try it. so if you dont have anything positive to say then dont help. as for everyone else thanks for helping me

anyway:
like i said i trid looking in teh bios and i dotn think i can adjust it in there. Ive heard that there is software i can download to change my fsb speed. does this stuff work? and if so what is a good program to get(freeware if possible im on a budjet after buyign this processor). please let me know thanks


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Response Number 7
Name: damasta55r
Date: May 21, 2005 at 21:07:21 Pacific
Reply:

It's supposed to be only 400Mhz... Looking up your specs, you have a socket 478 mobo. The only pentium 4s that fit in your socket mobo have only 400MHz fsb. As for the 1.49Ghz. Try checking your device manager under processors and see whether there's one or two and the clock speed. I think that'll there would be only 1 because hP/Compaq wouldn't give you a bios update that includes hyperthreading. SO that feature is basically useless and there's no software at all that would enable it. If the clock speed is right, then just forget about the bios. If it's wrong, ask yourself is it behaving like a 1.49GHz processor, if not who cares. If it is reallly clocked down to 1.49GHz and you can notice it. Well the only way out is a mobo and new os. You could try finding software, but almost all are fake and don't work. Good luck! It's all about your choices...
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Response Number 8
Name: damasta55r
Date: May 21, 2005 at 21:09:34 Pacific
Reply:

No you're not the first to try... Others have also, but they soon realize there's no easy way out...

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Response Number 9
Name: Cinole
Date: May 21, 2005 at 22:37:33 Pacific
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well if i were to buy a new mother board(which i was planning to be my next purchase)which would be good to buy? i dotn know the prices of a decent motherboard but id liek to stay around 100 dollars for one. also why would i need to buy a new operating system. when my cousin remade his system i dont remembering him saying that he needed new software i could be wrong though.


ive checked my device manager and it shows two processors with a clock speed at 3.0 Ghz. thast what is most confusing teh id i have says its running at half speed but i have two processors going an hyper threading is active...well at least it seems to work in my task manager.

the original reason i thought my processor wasnt working was because i saw no performance increase from my celeron to this new one.
i am really confused on what is actually wrong.

and if my computer can only go up to 400 mhz fsb then does that mean that i cant get my clock speed up to 3.0 ghz liek it should be at? i mean is it even worht it to try to get my clock speed up? will it increase the speed drastically without havign teh fsb speed to what it should be at?


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Response Number 10
Name: damasta55r
Date: May 21, 2005 at 23:20:38 Pacific
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YOu don't need a fsb speed of 800 to get 3.0Ghz. So far, windows recognizes you 3.0Ghz running with a 400MHz fsb and with ht enabled. The only thing that doesn't recognize is the bios on your motherboard. You have to buy a new os, because upon detecting a new mobo, compaq's preloaded os will no longer work. I say stick with your current mobo, as long as windows recognizes it and is ht. Try downloading cpu-z and that'll be a better program to see your specs. If it recognizes it also, then forget about the bios on your mobo. You probably saw no real performance increase because the clock speed is just a bit lower and your fsb actually decreased. The pentium 4 3.0 ghz only has a bit more clock and a lower fsb, but more advanced features. A difference would not be as noticable as from Intel Pentium III Coppermine 1.0GHz to a Pentium 4 3.0GHZ. My advice, stick with your compaq, no upgrades etc. are necessary. don't waste your money. If you want to get a new mobo, that's up to you, a mobo with pci-express but no ddr2 support by asus would cost $90 or $99 at newegg +3 shipping and there's your budget. But i would just stick with the machine. The BIOS doesn't really have to detect it properly. You could talk with compaq technical support asking for a bios update. I've asked for an update for an em64t processor support, and they've told me that they're working on it, but i doubt it.
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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: May 22, 2005 at 06:45:34 Pacific
Reply:

damasta55r,

"YOu don't need a fsb speed of 800 to get 3.0Ghz...The BIOS doesn't really have to detect it properly."

What the hell are you talking about? His 3.0GHz CPU has a multiplier of 15.0x...there's no way to change that. To get it to run at the proper speed, it MUST run at 800FSB

15 x 100MHz (400FSB) = 1.5GHz**
15 x 133MHz (533FSB) = 2.0GHz
15 x 200MHz (800FSB) = 3.0GHz

**His board apparently underclocks the FSB a little, that's why the CPU speed is being reported as 1.49GHz instead of 1.5GHz.

The problem is the board apparently doesn't support 800FSB (200MHz) CPUs, therfore the CPU is currently running at 1/2 speed. According to HP, the board DOES support 533FSB. The Celeron CPU that he removed should have been a 2.53GHz Celeron D which runs at 19 x 133MHz. The best he coud do with his 3.0GHz/800FSB CPU is 2.0GHz (15 x 133MHz)...there's no way to get the CPU to run at the correct speed, short of replacing the motherboard. He doesn't need a new OS! "that's about the stupidest thing ever"

Cinole,

All you had to do was check the HP/Compaq website before purchasing your new CPU & you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. The motherboard in the Compaq Presario SR1110NX supports "FSB 400/533" only:

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCategory?dlc=en&tool=prodinfoCategory&lc=en&cc=us&dest_page=prodinfoCategory&product=425916

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?lc=en&cc=us&dest_page=prodinfoCategory&tool=prodinfoCategory&product=425916&dlc=en&docname=c00063244#

Chances are, your Compaq will not accept an aftermarket motherboard. For one thing, your system is microATX...for another, HP/Compaq uses proprietary power supplies. So to replace the board with a non-Compaq board, you'd also have to replace the PSU.

There is no easy way out of this mess. Go back to the Celeron. Either sell the P4 3.0GHz CPU, or keep it & build a REAL PC from scratch. Don't bother with an OEM machine.

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Response Number 12
Name: Cinole
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:03:56 Pacific
Reply:

well if i have to buy a new psu and mobo then thats what i have to do. i bought this to improve my gaming(final fantasy 11) and because i couldnt stand how slow my ocmuter was. ill just hold on to it and work on buy ing those two items as my next things to buy. how much does a psu cost. ive seen them for as low as 30 bucks is that a good price?


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Response Number 13
Name: Cinole
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:21:46 Pacific
Reply:

oh one more thing. if my computer could support a 2.53 Ghz celeron why cant i get that speeed? id still like to increase what ever clock speed i can get to. also i found a few motherboards for 50 dollars on new egg that support 478 pin socket cpu's please take a look and let me know how they are. i they dont have pci express or anything but for 50 bucks they look much better than what i have so far...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131462


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186011


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138020


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131515


and then there is this one for 120. i dont know what specs i shoudl be looking at as far as quality on these so for this one i just found the most affordable expensive mobo i could buy on my budjet...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131492


another problem i just thought of is that the casing my computer has only has slots in the back to fit four pci slots worth of hardware. since some(most) of these have 5 slots would i need to get a new case in order to properly fit this into my computer?

thanks for all your help.

by the way you guys so far are the only people ive found who actually know what they are doing.


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Response Number 14
Name: jam
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:27:47 Pacific
Reply:

"well if i have to buy a new psu and mobo then thats what i have to do"

You're missing the point. Although Cinole's comment was negative, he was essentailly correct.."Performing a processor upgrade on an oem machine. Wow, that's about the stupidest thing ever". OEM systems are very limited on their upgradebility & usually, you have to buy OEM parts, at a premium (of course). That fact that it's a microATX system makes things even worse...it means you'd need to get an mATX PSU & mATX board...that will limit your choices & therefore your upgradeability even moreso.

My guess is your CPU has nothing to do with your poor gaming performance. Do you have a "real" video card or are you trying to run your games using the onboard video? If you're using the onboard, it's the video card (or should I say, lack of video card) that's killing your peformance, not the CPU.

Your board has no AGP slot, it only has PCI slots, so you're video card upgrade choices will severely limited. PCI video is old news & manufacturer's have all but stopped producing PCI cards, except for a choice few. Probably the best you're gonna get is an FX5200 128MB/128-bit. You may be able to improve the performance with a new card, but you're not gonna make a viable gamer outta that system no matter how much money you throw at it.

You'd have to start from scratch:

- new case
- new PSU
- new motherboard
- new video card

The rest you "may" be able to salvage from your old system, but you'd probably be better off keeping it as a backup or selling it & using the money to finance your new system.


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Response Number 15
Name: Cinole
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:40:10 Pacific
Reply:

oh one more thing. if my computer could support a 2.53 Ghz celeron why cant i get that speeed? id still like to increase what ever clock speed i can get to. also i found a few motherboards for 50 dollars on new egg that support 478 pin socket cpu's please take a look and let me know how they are. i they dont have pci express or anything but for 50 bucks they look much better than what i have so far...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131462


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813186011


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813138020


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131515


and then there is this one for 120. i dont know what specs i shoudl be looking at as far as quality on these so for this one i just found the most affordable expensive mobo i could buy on my budjet...


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131492


another problem i just thought of is that the casing my computer has only has slots in the back to fit four pci slots worth of hardware. since some(most) of these have 5 slots would i need to get a new case in order to properly fit this into my computer?

thanks for all your help.

by the way you guys so far are the only people ive found who actually know what they are doing.


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Response Number 16
Name: jam
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:41:17 Pacific
Reply:

Your system came with a 2.53GHz Celeron, correct? I'm sure it ran at that speed when you got it. If it's not running at that speed now, it's because a BIOS setting has changed. Go into the BIOS & check each & every setting (it's an OEM BIOS so I'm sure there aren't many)...look for something related to the bus speed (frequency?) or CPU speed.

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Response Number 17
Name: jam
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:44:34 Pacific
Reply:

"Although Cinole's comment was negative, he was essentailly correct.."

Oooops, I meant damasta55's comment

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Response Number 18
Name: Cinole
Date: May 22, 2005 at 08:45:53 Pacific
Reply:

oops sorry for the double post...

now what are you talking about this atx stuff. why would i need to get those if im getting a new mobo?? what is atx?


also i have an fx5200 128. i upgraded recently to an fx5500 256 oc which i promptly returned(no increase in performance just looks) to buy guess what....the cpu i own. im not going to return this cpu because id have to buy it again anyways. final fantasy 11(the only gaem im really playign right now) is a processor heavy game. thats why i wanted this cpu in the first place. but ive dealt with 700 hours of laggy game play so a few more days/weeks wont kill me i guess.


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Response Number 19
Name: jam
Date: May 22, 2005 at 09:37:59 Pacific
Reply:

mATX = Micro ATX. It's the "form factor" for your motherboard. The standard form factor is ATX. Basically, mATX is a smaller cheaper board design with fewer slots. Usually, a mATX system uses a smaller case (micro ATX case) & a different power supply (micro ATX PSU)...that in itself locks you in to mATX upgrades only, which severely limits your possibilties.

Your board has only 3 PCI slots...that's it. A full size ATX board will have as many as 7 slots...for example, one AGP & 6 PCI slots.

My advice is NOT to waste any more money on that system...it's simply not worth it. Either build or buy a "real" PC. In other words, do NOT buy another OEM system (HP, Compaq, Dell, Gateway, Sony, emachine, etc).

That being said, I just checked the hardware requirements for Final Fantasy XI:

"The minimum system requirements for FINAL FANTASY XI for Windows are as follows: Windows 98/98 SE/Me/2000/XP, Intel® Pentium® III 800Mhz or higher, 128MB RAM, 6GB of hard drive space, DirectX® 8.1 compatible sound card, CD-ROM drive, keyboard, 56K or faster Internet connection, and either an ATI® Radeon™ 9000 series or NVIDIA® GeForce™ series video card with 32MB of RAM."

Your system with the 2.53GHz Celeron D, 1024MB RAM, & FX5200 128MB PCI should have absolutely no problems...it is NOT "a processor heavy game". You may have gotten a 64-bit FX5200 rather than a 128-bit card, but considering the hardware requirements listed above, even that shouldn't hurt you all that much. My guess is you have other problems that need addressing

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Response Number 20
Name: Sabertooth
Date: May 23, 2005 at 08:39:24 Pacific
Reply:

Contact the vendor that you got the new CPU from, ask if they'll let you exchange what you got for a P4 3.06G and pay the differential, it clocks default @ 133x23.

Mind you the above is not a cheaper alternative.

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Response Number 21
Name: damasta55r
Date: May 23, 2005 at 18:22:13 Pacific
Reply:

isn't that a socket 775 cpu only, the 519J?
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